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"this soul, is nothing but your mental information"

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by Maitereya, Aug 3, 2006.

  1. #1 Maitereya, Aug 3, 2006
    heres a story i thought would be interesting to post. plus i have nothing else to do. so enjoy.

    rinzai went to his teacher, his guru and he said, "give me freedom" the teacher said, "bring yourself. if YOU are then i will make you free. but if YOU are not, then how can i make you free? you are already free. "and freedom", his guru said, "is not your freedom. really, freedom is freedom FROM 'you'. so go and find out where this 'I' is, where you are, then come to me. this is the meditation go and meditate."

    so the disciple rinzai goes and meditates for weeks, months, and then comes. then he says, "i am not the body. only this much i have found." so the guru says, "this much you have become free. go again. try to find out." then he tries, meditates, and he finds that "i am not my mind, because i can observe my thoughts. so the observer is different from the observed : i am not my mind." he comes and says. "i am not mind." so his guru says, "now you are three-fourths liberated. now go again and find out who you are then."

    so he was thinking, "i am not my body, i am not my mind." he had read, he had studied, he was well informed, so he was thinking, " i am not my body, not my mind, so i must be my soul, my atman." but he meditated, then he found there is no atman - no soul, because this atman, this soul, is nothing but your mental information - just doctorines, words, philosophies.

    so he came running one day and said, " now i am no more!" then his guru said, "am i now to teach you the methods of freedom?" rinzai said, "i am free because i am no more. there is no one to be in bondage. i am just a wide emptiness, a nothingness."

    the story goes on but thats the important part of the story. plus im tired of typing out of this book. :D enjoy.
     
  2. #2 hotsauc3, Aug 3, 2006
    I enjoyed it very much, thanks for taking the time to post it. :hello:
     
  3. #3 4ction, Aug 3, 2006
    What book is that from?

    Have you read Siddhartha? It's by Herman Hesse and I think you'd like it.
     
  4. #4 naku06, Aug 3, 2006
    thanks for sharing, i like it. i second 4ction's first question.
     
  5. #5 Maitereya, Aug 4, 2006
    its from "the book of secrets". the version i have the author is bhagwan shree rajneesh(1972). but i looked it up on amazon and the author is osho(1998), im assuming its the same book just a different publishing company picked it up.

    either way i recomend it.

    no i have yet to read siddhartha, im sure one day i will. thats about buddah right? or i should say the buddah that is famous.
     

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