This healthcare nonsense

Yeah, it's sooo bad here (lol)

Why not de-stress yourself and move to a different country of your choosing?

 

Healthcare, my friend, is not a "right" afforded us in the constitution. Those consist of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is not the job of the Fed. gvt to medically insure all of America. Time to get people off the welfare roles and back on the payrolls and stop so much dependence on the taxpayers of America to take care of a bunch of people who could work a job. Congress needs to REPEAL the Obamacare BS and start from there. Otherwise, America will end up looking just like Venezuela in a few short years. Socialized medicine is not a cure all, believe me. It's a way to drain this nation of any hope for a future and turn us into a socialist country. Not ONE socialist economy has ever survived or thrived in any way. It's a slow roll to hell for a democratic republic. Of course, your nightly news team won't tell you this....that would be totally against their absolute lack of standards. Wake up. Get real about what is going on and stop supporting people who thrive on power and greed. America needs JOBS...good jobs that you can support your family by working. You want to talk about being fucked up? That was 8 yrs of Obama and his effort to destroy what it took over 200 yrs to build. TWW

 

You can always move to Canada. Live a healthy life-style. A lot of people just sitting back collecting while a lot of us are working really hard for what we have.

 

He knows nothing of England, he who only England knows. It's a qoute by Rudyard Kipling, who was a badass poet, and the essence of it is that you don't know how good/bad you have it if you haven't seen the other places.

I grew up in Namibia and Nigeria. Mutilated kids tapping on my car window, pointing at their mouths in desperation. Police is nonexistant, they are the same as the political gestapo, and are a thousand times worse than even the worst intepretation of American police. Our cook would have straight-up died if we didn't fly him to a London hospital to cure his malaria - he'd've left four kids behind with no welfare, or neighbours, or anything to fend for them.
You have it so good in America and you don't know it, and I think that causes a lot of aimless frustration.

That said, I fully, completely agree with the first half of your post. I furthermore agree that there is much room for improvement. I'm very interested in solutions - how do you think this problem is best solved? I'm speaking as a Norwegian, our health care is free (but so-so in quality). I can speak to that solution, if you're interested, but I do not think it's applicable in a nation as large and economically diverse as the USA.

 

With the current status quo, you can only get good healthcare if you're rich anyways.

In AZ the Obamacare is worthless, you might as well not have insurance.

 

I have to disagree with some of the above posters. I'm one of those guys who thinks we should take care of each other. The Repubs have been trashing the ACA since it's inception, but after 7 years of complaining, they were totally unprepared and are now unable to agree on a replacement. The right moderates actually care about the people they represent and don't want any Medicaid cuts and the right wing nuts don't want to give anything to anybody, except the rich.

You can say what you want about the ACA, and I admit it needs fixing, but the fact is: If it were left to the Repubs the ACA would have never existed and there would be no healthcare available at all to millions of low-income families, disabled persons, and children. The right wants you to believe that the ACA is a welfare program and not healthcare.

You can say "get a better job so you can afford private healthcare insurance". But the realty is, there will always be uneducated and unskilled people that are unable to get better jobs, and there will always be disabled people that can't work. I don't know how any person with a conscience can want to eliminate their healthcare. As a human being, I feel we should take care of our own.

The irony is that the conservative right wingers are opposed to abortion because they say it's murder and they're protecting the rights of the unborn, but have no problem killing people by taking away their healthcare. Makes a lot of sense.

 

I see this logic repeated a lot by the 'good guys'. Before you call me a right wing nazi etc etc all that, I'm a deep-left Norwegian democratic socialist who pays a fuckton of tax so my countrymen can get their nuts checked for cancer on my dime, and me on theirs. Just so you don't pull that card on me, because it's common that such debates devolve into blatant, baseless insults, especially in this area, which unfortunately has fallen victim to the left-right hyperbole machine.

My point:
There's a big difference in the capabilities, opportunities and agency of an unborn child versus a grown-ass adult. This is the cornerstone of conservative thought - you are your own master, and conservative thought is oriented towards giving you as many tools as possible to achieve your own self-mastery. Don't consider it evil, that's not a wise way to approach convincing them of your line of thought, instead you'll only alienate.

To make it very simple, this thing:



can't fend for itself.

This guy, though:



Can make his own way, and help himself. This is why equating saving the unborn babies vs. giving away hard-earned cash to adults who haven't been as ambitious, as capable, as fortunate or as dilligent as those who can pay for themselves.

Again, not saying this is what I personally espouse, but it is critical to understand your opponent, rather than mock him. Especially in the Trumpian age. Do you disagree, sir?

 

Like a lot of people, I think you're confusing welfare and healthcare by comparing an unborn child to an obvious healthy able bodied adult. With all due respect, I think you're a bit narrow minded for implying that affordable healthcare for all is a way of giving the guy in the picture that you posted, cash. I'm not an advocate of welfare, and I don't agree with handing cash to adults that are capable of working - I'm talking about taking care of other human beings that aren't as fortunate as you or I. Forgive me for having compassion for others.

I don't disagree, but like I said in my other post - there will always be poor people, there will always be disabled people, there will always be people not capable of achieving their own self-mastery as you put it. Should those people not be taken care of just because they're not as intelligent as you or I, and can't get as good a job? There are millions of people that bust their asses everyday for themselves and their families while only making $8 per hour. They barely can put food on the table, let alone buy healthcare insurance.

Republicans are not my opponent - they are Americans with a different view than me - and I assure you that I understand them. Pointing out that "the right" is not in favor of providing affordable healthcare to all Americans is a fact - it's not mocking them. One of the biggest points that Drumpf pushed during his campaign, and probably one of the reasons he won was because he promised better and affordable healthcare for all Americans. So far he doesn't even have a clue as to what is in all of the proposed bills - his only concern is putting a win on the board, regardless of who suffers.

 

Well I mean technically when you kill a fetus that's killing a person.

 

It's time to consider single payer government funded healthcare. Under the current system the slackers that sit around all day are going to get healthcare whether or not they work and they guys who work will end up paying for it no matter what so what's the point in making the money run around so many obstacles when it's going to get there anyway. Instead of talking about who's going to pay (we know who's going to pay) we need to talk about what kind of care we're going to have. For example will meds and procedures for trans be provided and will self inflicted damage be covered? We will get to single payer regardless, it may as well be now.

 

I don't know what this has to do with the healthcare crisis discussion.

 

Hate much? With the hundreds of examples you could have used - you chose that one. It tells me a lot. Maybe they could take the millions of dollars spent by the government on erectile dysfunction pills for our military? That would pay for it and let the military pay for their own hard-ons out of their own pocket.

 

Why, if he disagrees with government fund allotment, must it automatically be because of "hate"?

This type of "thinking" is what has bloated the use of the many "phobias" and "isms" out there. If you disagree with something, it must be because of hate and only hate.

Are people not allowed to have opinions on how their tax money is spent?

 

Because I think something should be discussed doesn't mean I hate. If that's true for you then you suck. I used that example because it was on the news this morning. Perhaps you could tell me what that example tells you about me?

 

I'm sure he appreciates you coming to his defense so quickly. I just find it interesting that he used that example -- wouldn't be my first choice. I do agree however that people have the right to have opinions on how their tax money is spent - however, I can think of other ways to cut back costs.

 

As he should. Looked like a glaring "Hate" REEEEEE.

 

Natural medicine only bro...

 

I don't think name calling is allowed. If you truly only used that as an example because you saw it on the news this morning - I apologize for jumping to conclusions. It's just that I don't know anyone personally that would consider even having a discussion about transgender people not being able to have healthcare. The cost of transgender reassignment surgery is a drop in the bucket compared to any long term illness requiring care. The cost is less than a 4 month stay at my Mother's alzheimer home. But maybe it's just me.

 

I respectfully disagree, though I understand your thought process, as it mirrors the one I held a few years ago. I will leave it at that, unless you're insist on drawing it out. I'm satisfied with your response, sir.