Regardless what your opinion on the war is, or whether or not you like Pres bush. How come the "anti-bush crowd/but they support the troops crowd" never makes a peep when our troops are winning, and all is quiet? No, you here nothing when all is going well, but there be any violence and all of a sudden its all over the news again and the anti war threads fly. Maybe its true what the conservative talk show host say... that crowd dont support the troops, as a matter of fact they cant wait till they lose and are driven out of Iraq because the worst thing in the world to them is the thought of America actually winning .
I think even plenty of military personnel and relatives of members of the military agree the war is not going well, and the U.S. should attempt a withdrawal very shortly. Bring in the United Nations. Not NATO, the United Nations. Of course you know that your view is in the minority, not that that really matters. Maybe the conservatives are right. And maybe it's just hard to admit they were wrong. Your view was the majority view back before people realized that we entered the war for reasons different from what the American public was told.
What do you mean by winning? Being able to leave Iraq with "only" about 100,000 civilians dead, a fucked infrastructure, an impotent puppet government in place, and our own reputation tarnished in the process? It's been five years and there's been no improvement over Saddam Hussein's reign. He might have been a ruthless dictator, but he knew how not to let his country devolve into civil war and he never bothered us.
HaHa, for or agaist we are there and theres no withdraw, you cant withdraw now, its to strategic. Never happen.
Wow, I bet you had the foresight in 2003 to know we'd be stuck there, then, right? That's why you supported the war?
I never said i supported the war or not, i said for or against. Actually i thought the war was too little, too late. With in two months of 9/11, we should have attacked the northern regions of Afghanistan and pakistan with an attack that was so devastating that even our Allys would have been shocked. Its better to be feared as a nation. You have to know your enemy, the enemy we're fighting are primitive in thought at best, and look upon withdraw as weakness. All we accomplished by invading Iraq is equivalent to fucking with a bee's nest and running away, they are going to chase you! no we have no choice but to stay and if we're smart we will crack down on the present uprising by Mookie Al Sadr and his rebel fighters with extreme force so that they could not possibly pull off another uprising. I sorry if these views seem harsh, but if this brown shirt, Neville Chamberlain attitude would have prevailed during WW2, we would all be saluting a statue of Hitler every day.
If you really wanted to draw a comparison between the Iraq War and WWII, it'd be: Japan bombs Pearl Harbor, America invades China.
I wasn't drawing a comparison between the 2 wars, i was drawing a comparison between the anti war groups of today and the anti war group of the ww2 era, known as the brown shirts or the American Nazi party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_Bund http://www.ajhs.org/publications/chapters/chapter.cfm?documentID=230 http://histclo.com/youth/youth/org/nat/us/bund.htm
Uh yeah, but there's a fundamental difference between the wars being protested. We didn't join WWII until after being directly attacked by a member of the Axis; there was a legitimate threat to us and others. We are the aggressors in this case, against a sovereign country who did nothing to provoke us and we have no good reason to be there. Yeah, okay, Saddam was a meanie, but it's not the U.S.'s job to go around telling other countries how to run their own shit.
We arent Team America, World Police. Its not our job. Hussein didnt attack us. He attacked Israel sure, but not America. Our threat is a small population of islamic extremists. And I completely understand the Iraqi Militants. I would be shooting rockets, and planting IED's too, if some foreign country invaded, placed soldiers everywhere, checkpoints everywhere..telling you where to go, what you can and cannot do. Its an invasion.
I agree,. but the fact remains we are now there and what do we do about it? I laid out my opinion on that.
I agree, but again we are there now so what next. just saying my bad and leaving is not an option. The terrorist are going to use that sign of weakness to rally others against us and as we've all seen they will come after us. Also you have to think about the Iraqi people, we put them in danger in the first place, you cant just leave them to the wolves, fuck that's no better than the decision to invade the damn country. Then there's the Iranian threat, I'm not saying we should invade Iran, (please tell me you realize that the Iranian president is a fucking nut job), but We are always going to have a military presence in the area, bases etc. in order to deter such aggression. No, we should have never invaded Iraq. If you really want to blame a president for this whole thing, blame that asshole peanut farmer jimmy carter, if he would have left the Iranian situation alone in the 70's, the Shaw of Iran would have never let the ayatollahs come into power.
Try blaming Ronald Reagan...y'know the dude responsible for supplying Aghanistan with weapons to fight the Soviet Union and giving funding to the mujahideen
I just meant carter set the ball rolling, but you can look beyond party lines and blame every president since, they all screwed shit up in their own way.
You are right, we shouldn't invade iran. We should bomb them to no end. No matter what anyone thinks or wishes a withdrawal of Iraq is not going to happen for a long, long, long time. I dont care if Obama, Hillary, Mccain or the fucking Dali lama is president. Its not going to happen. Was going into iraq a bad thing? I dont know. Was the strategy bad. Hell yes. There should have been a massive invasion, we went in with way to few troops. Thats what fucked us. Whether it was a good idea or not Stoned B is correct. We cannot leave Iraq is way to strategic of a location. Its the hub or the middle east. All future actions in the middle east (and there will be) will be based out of Iraq.
If your going to fight a war, then fight the damn thing. They have been trying to fight a humane, politically correct war, and you cant! War is supposed to be devastating, so devastating that someone surrenders and the memories and smells of the war remain with you and remind you why you dont fight wars, this should have been a 1 year deal, carpet bomb the cities, roll in the tanks and armour, send the boots into finish them off.
Okay, that's pretty ludicrous. Yeah, anti-war... Those wars were not the same. To even suggest a general comparison is an attempt to denigrate. However, you do what you do.