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The Russion Bear experiment. AKA Colorado experiment

Discussion in 'Fitness, Health & Nutrition' started by stealthgrower, Sep 19, 2012.

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  1. #1 stealthgrower, Sep 19, 2012
    I'll start off with some pictures.
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    The man in those before and after pictures is named Casey Viator. He was the Colorado experiment. He managed to put on 63 pounds of muscle in just 28 days. i wont go into detail on how he did it in this thread, that can easily be googled.

    I am doing my own experiment to become big and strong like Russian bear!
    I work out once every 3 days. I do a full body work out where i work each section of my body continuously then take a 2 minute break between sections. I do only one set of each exercise. i try to use a weight that will cause me to reach muscle failure in 6-10 reps, i do the reps using a 5 count up and down. the work outs are pretty short. not including my warm up they are very short, around 30 minutes. my warm up is just a few minutes on the bike to get my heart rate up.
    the only supplements i am taking is pure unflavored weigh protein, glutamine, creatine, and walmart brand NOS pre-workout. the first two supplements i take daily, the other two i don't.
    the hardest part of all of this is getting sufficient protein. my goal is over 200 grams a day. i often don't even reach 200 though.

    it's pretty incredible how quickly the muscle is going on though. .75-1 pounds of muscle a day would be an easy thing to accomplish using a program similar to this.

    i just started it less than 2 weeks ago and i keep getting comments on how big i look. i've been going to a sandwich shop pretty often for over a year. i know the employees there, and my favorite employee, an older woman, stopped me today and went on for a few minutes about how big and good i looked. this is the first time she's ever made a comment like that. so clearly whatever i am doing is working.
     
  2. #2 Digital Veil, Sep 19, 2012
    A lot of it was muscle memory..plus he was a genetic freak, they say. Not too mention the roids... I can vouch for the muscle memory part. I was an athlete my entire life, stopped for 10 yrs, and now started up again and the fat is flying off and the muscle loading on.
     
  3. #3 stealthgrower, Sep 19, 2012
    there were no roids.
    yes he was not the norm. 63 pounds is still insane.
    i'm not going for 63 pounds, but maybe 25-30 in 30 days.
     
  4. #4 KillerKush, Sep 19, 2012
    I gained about 30 pounds over the winter(2.5 months) my second year of university.

    I was eating about 225-300 grams of protein daily and lifting specific body parts daily.

    A lot of people thought I was taking steroids but I took no supplements.
     
  5. #5 JuanRing, Sep 20, 2012
    What about his bones, tendons and ligaments, the rest of his structure? 28 days wouldn't be near enough time for his body to adapt to the additional load. Wouldn't this lead to huge joint problems and other negative side effects? How did they deal with that?
     
  6. #6 stealthgrower, Sep 20, 2012
    his body was able to deal with it. a good portion of that 63 pounds was regaining muscle he had recently lost. he was always large and in good shape. his skeletal system was pretty prepared.
     
  7. #7 budsmokn420, Sep 20, 2012
    Your muscles are simply increasing sarcoplasmic hypertrophy instead of myofibrillar hypertrophy. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is essentially when fluid is increased in the muscles, which make them appear larger, with little strength being gained. Myofibrillar hypertrophy is what you want because that's when more protein is actually added to the muscles and you gain strength. This process takes a lot longer to build significant mass, but the mass you gain is ACTUAL muscle...not fluid retention.

    I kinda hate bust your bubble bro, but you're not really gaining muscle, just sarcoplasmic fluids :smoke:
     
  8. #8 stealthgrower, Sep 20, 2012
    what can i say.
    haters gonna hate.
    I am building muscle, real muscle. yes some of it may be water weight, but are you trying to tell me that, viator put on 63 pounds of water weight? no, he put on a shitload of ACTUAL muscle. as I am as well.
    did you even read about the experiment?
     
  9. #9 budsmokn420, Sep 20, 2012
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    Yep I've read about it before and just refreshed my memory as well.

    I just also know basic human physiology as well though. Your body can only synthesis so much PURE muscle at once. It is literally biologically impossible for someone to be gaining 1-2 lbs of PURE muscle a day.

    How would you have any idea if the weight you're gaining is fluid retention or muscle mass? How much have you increased your weight? I bet not that much...

    Edit: BTW I'm not hating...do your thing. I'm just throwing in my two cents and playing devils advocate
     
  10. #10 TheBlackCops, Sep 20, 2012
    I don't understand how people think all weight they're putting on is muscle.

    It's generally accepted that 10-15 lbs of muscle in a year is great gains.
     
  11. #11 stealthgrower, Sep 20, 2012
    well than i will be making truly extraordinary gains :smoke:
     
  12. #12 budsmokn420, Sep 20, 2012

    1) How do you know what you are gaining is pure muscle and not fluid?

    2) How much have you increased your weight?
     
  13. #13 stealthgrower, Sep 20, 2012
    I will weigh myself next time i work out. last i checked i had gained 7 pounds. who knows how much pure muscle weight i actually gained.
    it definitely isn't 100% water weight though.
     
  14. #14 budsmokn420, Sep 20, 2012
    I meant your lifting weight.

    Also it isn't "water weight", it's sarcoplsmic fluids which is the fluid in muscles that is comparable to cytoplasmic fluid in cells. It makes your muscles look puffy, but little to no strength is gained.
     
  15. #15 stealthgrower, Sep 20, 2012
    asking how much i've increased my weight i no easy question. i do a lot of lifts and they haven't all increased by the same amount. there is also the fact that most of the weight increases when beginning working out is most mental, not physical. your mind and body realize how hard it can push itself the first few times you go, and so you get a lot of quick gains in the beginning.
     
  16. #16 JuanRing, Sep 20, 2012

    If you're trying to gain strength, you should do compound exercises like squats, deads, etc. and do a linear progression approach, that way you can easily track your gains.

    It sounds like you're doing a bunch of isolation exercises and those just aren't good for novice or intermediate lifters.
     
  17. #17 budsmokn420, Sep 20, 2012
    @OP...the point I was trying to make is that if you're gaining weight and your muscles look bigger, yet the increase in lifting weight doesn't correspond correctly to your body's increase in weight, than its not pure muscle.

    It really is as simply as that.

    Whenever you feel like you've comfortably gotten warmed up post your bench and dead lift or something. Then when you're done your month of bulking or whatever ever your plan is report back with current weights.

    We can then compare the increase in lifting weight to your increase in bodyweight and we can estimate pretty closely how much is pure muscle.
     
  18. #18 Runningw235, Sep 21, 2012
    Also when you're eating that much you will probably have a lot more litteral shit weight your intestines are holding onto.

    And id bet a mortgage that he was using steroids. Maybe more than one kind.
     
  19. #19 stealthgrower, Sep 21, 2012
    it sounds like you are making a lot of assumptions.
    who said i was a novice or intermediate lifter? who said that isolation exercises aren't good for novices? it depends what your goals are. i'm not trying to gain strength anyways, i'm going for size. size is the goal here, yes i plan on achieving some strength gains as well, but even if i only gained size i will have succeeded in what i'm trying to accomplish.

    i never intended to claim that 100% of the weight he put on, or that i'm putting on is "pure muscle". It is lean body tissue though. that is a more accurate description. i'm putting on weight that isn't fat. some of that weight will be fluid retention, i'm sure a small amount will go to building tendons and bones, but a good portion of it will be muscle.
    I will try and get some numbers up. I use my uni's gym which is actually really small and has limited equipment and stuff. because of the fast pace of my work out i generally don't use a spotter, which keeps me away from free weights, and unfortunately kind of forces me to use the shitty machines. they are shitty because it doesn't require stabilization, and because for squats i've already maxed out the machines weight.
    I'm getting a lot of my protein from shakes, i'm honestly not eating much more than before. i also weighed myself most recently after a solid chunk of time of not eating, and right after a couple shits. i was still 6 or 7 pounds heavier than when i started.
    as far as the steroids, go read the study...
    and even if he was using steroids, i would love to see anyone else on this forum put on 63 pounds of lean body mass in 28 days using as many steroids as they want.
     
  20. #20 budsmokn420, Sep 21, 2012
    Well lean tissue is what I mean by pure muscle.

    What I'm trying to convey here is that if you don't increase your strength, you are not increasing your muscle mass.

    New tissue is what allows you to gain strength. If you aren't upping your lifting weight, than we know for a 100% fact that you are not gaining lean muscle tissue. You can literally gain up to dozens of lbs of fluid retention...don't under estimate it.

    Real muscles vs. puffy muscles is reflected in the amount of weight you can lift. That's the bottomline. You can look like the hulk but if you can't lift more than someone a third of your weight, than it's all show. It's not real lean muscle tissue.
     
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