The real reason behind americas involvement in over sea affairs.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Captainbasch420, May 14, 2011.

  1. To distract the media and people from the problems of america.
    If americans had nothing to do with anything over seas,
    The media would have nothing to report on but the various problems that america has.

    I gotta give the government credit. Thats pretty smart. But its rediculous.
    They know they have no way of fixing the problems america is faced with, so they go try and fix other countries problems.

    Im sure most people have realized this, but i havent seen it posted, so i figured i might as well post it.
  2. I disagree with your theory. The US government wants its citizens to know as little as possible about its overseas adventures and generally does a good job of keeping the majority in the dark.
  3. That's false. We (we meaning our government) want to steer the direction of the world. It's like this: The world flows in it's own unpredictable way. Now, sometimes the world flows against the U.S. governments "interests" so we intervene to steer the world in the "right direction". I agree with some of it, but things like Libya and Iraq I believe are unnecessary and frankly unaffordable.

    Not everything is a conspiracy lol
  4. Big business, corporate interests

  5. You're going to have to do better than that man. There are articles pages up pages long trying to argue what you so conveniently said in a few words, and yet they still aren't entirely convincing.

  6. Its all about the corporate elite exploiting the raw materials, markets and labour of poorer countries. Its always been this way since the dawn of civilisation.

    Nothing complex about it really
  7. Show evidence of American private sector individuals or groups, as opposed to U.S. officials, formulating the plans to go into, for now let's say Libya. Now, while you're working on Libya provide evidence that it's "big business" and "corporate entities" decisions to have our troops in Japan, South Korea, Germany, and Cuba. No on second thought just work on Libya, that would be asking too much from, well anybody really.:smoke:
  8. God damn it!!! sorry, I wrote a huge rebuttal with lots of links but my fucking CPU crashed and now I must start over GGGRRRRSSSHHH.

    Military strategist plan the invasions.The private sector just profits from it. The 25 Most Vicious Iraq War Profiteers | Business Pundit

    Not much info out on Libya yet, but look into the "Golden Dinar" for some insight on why Libya and not Syria even though they both are killing there own people and thats why the USA claims we went in.

    Here is some interesting articles about Afganistan. US policy on Taliban influenced by oil - authors
    This is From the 1998 Congressional Record "From the outset, we have made it clear that construction of the pipeline we have proposed across Afghanistan could not begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders, and our company.""As with the proposed Central Asia oil pipeline, CentGas can not begin construction until an internationally recognized Afghanistan Government is in place." Here is a link to the record if you care to read the whole thing, very interesting.
    U.S. Interests in the Central Asian Republics

    Im going to go out on a limb and guess you get all your news from the MSM. Here is a great quote of what one of our founders thought of the MSM of his day.

    "Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper."
    Thomas Jefferson"

  9. Ah Thomas Jefferson, my man....

    Asia times is MSM in that region. Don't be hypocritical.

    Just because corporations profit from war doesn't mean it's their idea. I was arguing against someone who was claiming that it's "big business" that is the sole reason we send our troops to foreign nations. That is just plain not true. Correlation doesn't equal causation. Again just because they profit from our military involvements doesn't mean they're the brains behind the operations. Think for your self man. It doesn't take any critical thought to regurgitate "it's big businesses fault, evil, rich guys, evil, "

  10. The fact that we choose Libya, and not say, any other country in the world with a humanitarian disaster or brutal dictator.

    Or how about the fact that we invade countries to install "democracy", while at the same time funding dictatorships?

    All wars are fought for financial interests unless you're on defense. Since the government contracts and gives the resources to private companies we can only assume it is private companies that make the push for war.

  11. Great info here:

    [ame=]YouTube - Gaddafi gold-for-oil, dollar-doom plans behind Libya 'mission'?[/ame]

    [ame=]YouTube - Iraq Vs Libya - Where are the protesters?[/ame]

    Those that control our currency + special interests in the United States have much more "influence" shall we say than any citizen or silly US Constitution does. I mean the President swore to uphold the Constitution but refuses to, you don't find that odd?

    Hell the Gulf War was mostly propaganda on top of the fact that Iraq posed no threat to the United States. You had a conflict of interest between NBC/ GE, and now GE's CEO is BFF's with Obama. LOL

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  12. #13 WarriorsOfLife, May 14, 2011
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    Come on, Russia Times, Blogs? Alright, I'll read that stuff tomorrow and get back to you with it.

    Our white allies asked for our help, and arabs even approved the mission. We were destined to be there. I mean explain Japan. They come and kill thousands of our people, we enter ww2, slaughter them and put bases there. 60 years later and we're still there. Should we be? I don't think so. We pay an awful lot of money to have 50,000 troops there and I don't see a fair return. But there's no evidence businesses caused us to go there. Like I said, ww2, deaths of thousands of our people, nukes, bases.

    Listen up everyone. There are some Iron laws of government everyone needs to just recognize. These laws are universally true, meaning there is no political scientists out there debating them. If the government isn't protecting its people, they'll know it and pick someone else to run government and protect them. And, if you can't protect your people, a foreign government will take you out and rule your land. Believe it or not, people ARE out to get you. We just don't see it because of our powerful military and influence over the world. Straight up real talk, if we pull out of every nation like some people want and castrate our military, some foreign soldier will eventually make its way to our soil and....fuck your mother. ;):smoke:
  13. Or perhaps it's because we trade trillions of dollars more than any other nation.

  14. The world power structure and economic structure has changed dramatically since WW2. You truly believe if we didn't have troops stationed all around the world then the US would get invaded? Im guessing you didn't even read the Congressional hearing since you failed to show any rebuttal to it.

    Here are some chilling words from someone who was in the know[ame=]YouTube - Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex.[/ame]
  15. This + lobbying = the US government does whatever the fuck the corporate elite does. Simply because the US president is the one they paid for to get in office.

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