The Real Deal

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by FatDutchie, Sep 12, 2012.

  1. We were once animals. We used to live off our emotions and act on our emotions. What made us feel good, we did. As we evolved we started to use words in order to make sense on these feeling and through that we have lost our ability to feel and gained an ability to speak.
     
  2. how about this. If you look at us like the sky would, were all just animals too. We always were, our own notions and differentiation have made us start feeling like we have created our own world.

    And we have, but it is completely disconnected from the truth around us
     
  3. We started to feel like we were important, that what we did mattered in the great scheme of things. Yet, on one level, it doesn't matter what we do on our little planet as we don't affect the space we live in. The vastness of the Universe continues whether we thrive or blow ourselves up.

    Perhaps our importance, and feeling like we have to know everything, is getting in the way of feeling what we need to feel to reconnect properly with who we are?
     
  4. wow, lol, do you have to be on acid to post in this thread???
     

  5. Not necessarily, but even if you did, you couldn't reveal it, because you can't talk about other drugs here. :smoke:
     
  6. We're still animals, we didn't stop being animals.

    Also, I wouldn't say we acted off emotions, we acted off instinct and a perpetuating need to live and reproduce.

    And speech might have part in it, but I think our reasoning and our large pre frontal cortex is more to blame for us not living on our instincts but rather logic.
     
  7. Even so, Shelly, people tend to still live based on their instincts. Very few people live a logically sound lifestyle. They claim it helps them learn; whoever said you learn from your mistakes must really have been an idiot.
     

  8. What are you talking about?

    Reason != logic.

    Reason is what sets us apart from animals. We're not the only animals with reasoning, but we have the most advanced reasoning. Which has allowed us to develop languages, and be who we are today. So in a way speech does set us apart from animals also, like OP said, but it didn't replace emotion as he contends.
     
  9. ill give you an example, When you our to eat with your family and everyone is enjoying there meal, no one has to say there enjoying there meal because there is a universal connection and everyone is happy and when someone use's "WORDS" to explain there feelings that connection in broken and we all are confused because we were on another level of consciousness.
     
  10. [quote name='"FatDutchie"']ill give you an example, When you our to eat with your family and everyone is enjoying there meal, no one has to say there enjoying there meal because there is a universal connection and everyone is happy and when someone use's "WORDS" to explain there feelings that connection in broken and we all are confused because we were on another level of consciousness.[/quote]

    Why not use words to communicate this satiated feeling of a great meal ?
    Words are our most powerful allies. They have a deep power.
     

  11. What is broken? And why are people confused, we all perceive the external world similarly. We aren't confused by saying a steak is delicious and how much we enjoy how it's cooked. The next person agrees because the experience reality in a similar manner. Someone might disagree because of personal preference, but holy shit, we now know why she is making that disgusted face. Without speech we'd have to guess, but by her saying she doesn't like the steak cooked so throughly, we further our relationship and can understand them better.

    If anything speech furthers the connections of emotions by defining them and being able to creatively express them to explain and venerate our external stimuli.

    Animals, if anything, are limited to their minds, while we can share a piece of ours with everyone.
     

  12. exactly!
     
  13. #14 tHe LoNLy StOnR, Sep 12, 2012
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    What? I was talking about how people seem to make irrational decisions everyday. Reasoning hasn't taken over our thinking, it simply helps us think of more suitable solutions to our problems. We still react emotionally to certain situations and stimuli, and those reactions do not tend to be very logically sound. That's what I was talking about. It might not have been what the OP was on about, but hey, who needs to be rational.

    Btw, I never disputed that language sets us apart from other animals, but then again other animals still communicate. And spoken language isn't a flawless method of communication; people lie, the articulateness of people vary immensely - not to mention the myriad of languages the human race speaks, some of us only one - and miscommunication and misinterpretation are the hurdles on the road to effective communication. :D And even our more tactile languages vary from culture to culture. Language is flawed, but at least we can communicate.

    Edit: I would rather say our perception, understanding and use of language is flawed in general. And another thing, some might argue that the spoken word isn't our first response to communication, because we tend to use a very ribald version of our language of choice when speaking as opposed to writing. It would appear that we need time to formulate our ideas into words, but our body language, speech rhythms and intonation comes naturally and mostly matches what we try to verbally express. Seeing as these processes occur without our conscious command, I assume that our brains haven't been fully overridden to accept spoken language as the default method of communication. I know I'm preaching these things as fact, but I don't have the time or energy to research any of this right now, so I'll just post it so I can review it later, at which point I'll research it.
     
  14. What is broken you ask? The Collective consciousness that makes us human know what is and is not. The person with the "wonderful" steak would not have to describe it because we would already have an understand on how much he enjoyed it and how much he liked it. That is what animals do. They don't have to ask each other if there ok, or if something is good because if It wasn't they wouldn't eat it. And yes, words do bring us closer together but those connections are made through emotions. Words only make us doubt those emotions.
     

  15. Too trippy and deep for me dude, I'm out. lol
     
  16. Subbed for an interesting thread, I wanna see where this goes
     
  17. #18 TheJourney, Sep 13, 2012
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    Saying humans stem from animals...WTF kinda crazy shit is that....LOL! :eek: :smoke:

    I swear, the shit people come up with on LSD...:eek:
     
  18. [quote name='"TheJourney"']

    Saying humans stem from animals...WTF kinda crazy shit is that....LOL! :eek: :smoke:

    I swear, the shit people come up with on LSD...:eek:[/quote]

    We do stem from animals tho, it wasn't too long ago that we were hiding in caves, not wearing clothes, and fucking purely on instinct. We just grew outta all that shit, for the most part
     
  19. This thread is going nowhere because no one can argue with the truth.
     

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