The Politics of Climate Change...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by svedka, Jul 16, 2018.

  1. The truth is decided to be what ever fleeces the sheeple.
     
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  2. I guess.. We are in a world of shit if those are the educated ones..
     
  3. #243 jerry111165, Dec 5, 2018
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    We do the best we can in the world we live in for the nano second we are awake/aware and when it’s over for us someone else takes our place and the cycle continues. Hell, no one remembers what my grandparents had to say or did and especially their grandparents and it wouldn’t matter if they did.

    In my own very worthless opinion, the Earth - the Galaxy and the entire Universe is constantly and always ever changing - moving in cycles.

    Stop and think for a moment - wouldn’t something be drastically wrong if the Earths temperatures stayed constant and steady?? How could things possibly be constant when we are whirling through the Universe at the speed that we do and over “time”?

    The only thing guaranteed in this *poof* of a lifetime that we live in is that things are GUARANTEED TO CHANGE -

    Things have been changing - yep - climate included since the dawn of time. Something would be drastically wrong if the oceans temperature stayed the same for even a certain timeframe. I honestly don’t get why this supposed “climate change” would even be a discussion in a negative fashion -

    “Global warming”. Huh?? What is this? Did Mankind get just as upset when the world got cold? The earth was entirely covered with one gigantic ocean back when - fossil records prove it. Deserts contain fossils of ocean fish, shells etc - did folks get upset when the oceans receded? That would be pretty huge right?

    How about when the polar caps, the glaciers et al formed at the N & S compass points - FREEZING COLD - turning water to thousands of miles of ice - windswept uninhabitable regions - holy shit Doomsday is Nigh!

    Again - I can’t even believe this Global Warming is even a THING - I really can’t even believe it’s a topic of discussion or at least a negative way.

    Stars burning out, giant asteroids slamming into planets, changing courses& inevitably temperatures -

    For us to think that our little wind-up carbon dioxide emitting vehicles and smokestacks can have any change on Mother Nature is totally and completely laughable. She’ll laugh and our faces, chew us up and spit us out - and time will continue for an eternity .

    & the Universe will continue to change every second…

    Ok - bring it on - I’ll guarantee some folks will lash out, tell me how wrong I am and argue because it’s fun to do lol.

    Let the fun arguments begin! LOL!!

    But if you don’t like the weather, just wait a bit…

    J
     
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  4. Lack of access to clean, fresh water is what (IMO) will become the driving force that begins to wake people up to trying any and every possible way that we can turn around the effects of climate change.

    Imagine everything we use it for other than drinking it and how shortages will affect everyone and everything we do. The outlook isn't good for the US.

    I heard some disparaging news last Sunday reporting about snowpack levels, how they have declined and to expect them to continue to decline until they are no longer happening in the Oregon mountain ranges, which will happen sooner than you might think.

    Desalination of sea water and recycling/reclamation of human urine waste will become completely normal ways for your water requirements to be met. California is already ahead of the curve on starting to use recycled sewage water that will soon come out of taps.

    Recycled water from sewers coming to California taps

    Snowpack levels show dramatic decline in western states, U.S.

    Will people have enough water to live?
     
  5. Who else other than Dolt45 doesn't understand how the warming waters in the arctic split & shifted the polar vortex? Couldn't believe 45 showed his ignorance with the tweet about "bring on global warming we need it " when these kinds of extremes are confirmation it is well on course. Actually accelerating. The deniers seem to block out the part about the ice caps melting (another sign). Then when they get a few puffs of arctic temps in USA they double down on their ignorance saying "see there?" "where is the global warming?"

    Amazing, absolutely fracking amazing...

    "The effects of the polar vortex could become more frequent and severe. Scientists looking at links between climate change and the polar vortex believe that the rapidly warming Arctic could bring about more intense periods of cold snaps and storms, even as winters become shorter and warmer."
    A Closer Look at the Polar Vortex’s Dangerously Cold Winds
     
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  6. It's amazing that we survive on this planet at all. We're heated by a Sun that's 90 million miles away. It could send a solar flare, at any second, that could wipe us out. Beneath our feet the earth's core is so hot it melts rock and regularly breaks up thru the thin crust. At the same time we're hurtling thru space dodging asteroids. Mans footprint here is more like a flea on a buffalo.
     
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  7. I'm not very interested in or knowledgeable about global warming, but I'm very curious about how much of it is man-made - and how much of it man can un-make, regardless of whether we are the driving force or not.
     
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  8. Good morning/afternoon, Viking!

    IMO "man made" in relation to global climate change is THE misconception of the century. It has never been suggested that we caused the problem we have. What science has suggested is that we humans have greatly accelerated and massively inflated the natural cycles that already exist. The current situation is due to our ignorance and irresponsibly arrogant influence on the planet.
     
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  9. Good moning/afternoon to you too, man. :)

    If we have greatly accelerated it, that infers that we are a driving cause of it, right? I'm not disputing this, or that we contribute, etc. I'm just wondering if we have any quantifiable measures on how much we contribute to the natural cycle.

    If it's massive enough to cause our doom, we should intervene. If it's not so massive, then limiting our emissions (something we in the West can do somewhat comfortably) has disastrous consequences on those who are just now emerging out of extreme povery, and making use of the industrialized world. A car means freedom of movement, which can increase job prospects and well-being of a family in India, or emerging Africa, or China, where much of that is taking place right now.

    Ignorant and irresponsible, maybe, but there are many perspectives on this, to my understanding.
     
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  10. I thought it odd no one commented on my post several above.

    All this uproar on climate change - yet things have been and will continue to change forever. Imagine if we were in a slightly different time frame right now when the earth was covered in volcanoes spitting fire - or when the earth was covered in water? When things started freezing?

    Silliness - all of it.

    J
     
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  11. I understand the argument to be about the rate of change, and how much we humans have an impact on it?
     
  12. At the end of the day, inevitably, does it matter? If we were covered in volcanoes again, or covered in oceans as we once were, or if we headed back into another ice age - then this that we are experiencing now would be laughable - imo of course.

    So since these things change - drastically - does a little bit of time one way or another even vaguely matter over the whole grand scheme of things?

    I don’t think so -

    J
     
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    J
     
  14. Maybe not, man. I guess the hubbub is about whether or not we can prevent those volcanoes and ice age, by, you know, driving less and such. It's one of Norways biggest jokes imo. Lot of chestbeating here about how we're almost entirely clean energy - taboo to mention that we sell barrels and barrels of oil. :laughing:

    I don't have any knowledge on this, though, so my 0.02$ on this aren't even worth 0.02$
     
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  15. It's an easy fix, just ask the far left. Turn socialist, pay 70% tax, give up you car, home heating, and anything else that uses fossil fuels. Prob solved. Oh forgot the world is gonna end in 12 years anyway.

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  16. Exactly?

    Why 12 years?.

    J
     
  17. Someone has been listening to the rhetoric from deniers and not actually studying facts... For one, the 12 yrs mentioned by AOC is the current estimate of "no turning back" meaning that if we haven't curbed the "current" rate (which is accelerating) by then the planet is doomed regardless. (not targeting you justalilcrazy as others jumped on the same 12 yr bandwagon as that's all they know to do.. hasn't occurred to them that if they actually studied the data they would understand a real "emergency" is from say a tRumped up border wall so called "national emergency"... (insert eye roll)

    Someone heard 70% tax and concluded it was across the board when the reality is the billionaires and some multi millionaires would be taxed that amount ONLY ON EXCESS ABOVE a specified amount of their income.. Not their entire glut of wealth.. Suffice to say they won't miss it...

    Both sides are tired of hearing the same 2 separate tunes but we all need to shift to different terminology and sift out the BS.
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    "PHOENIX—Leading climate scientists and meteorologists are banking on a new strategy for talking about climate change: Take the politics out of it."

    "That means avoiding the phrase “climate change,” so loaded with partisan connotations as it is. Stop talking about who or what is most responsible. And focus instead on what is happening and how unusual it is—and what it is costing communities."

    The New Language of Climate Change
     
  18. Well obviously you believe in the whole 'global warming' theory. I don't. And if you wanna follow the socialist Democrat platform...that's you're option. Maybe you can explain to me how a candidate running for president with a socialist agenda, will be able to swear to uphold our constitution? I can't for the life of me understand how they would be able to, being socialism is contradictory to our constitution.

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  19. And you're ok with spending 116B annually on illegal aliens vs. 5.7B once on border barriers? Call me stupid, but I think the savings could feed our homeless here, in our own country, if you need a better reason to spend ur tax $

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  20. It would behoove some of the climate change deniers to just take note of the extreme weather that have wreaked havoc to the point of FEMA involvement over the past 8 years... These more frequent more extreme flare ups of all types the vast majority of scientists agree are results of climate change accelerated by industry (including factory farming methane gas from cattle feed lots, some believe this is overrides combustion engine emissions.. Put the 12 (or 10) yrs till point of no return out of their minds and just count the frequencies of tsunamis, earthquakes, floods, drought, firestorms (from drought conditions), recent polar vortex arctic winds & temps in the USA, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc...

    A DemSoc agenda is not pure socialism any more than a corporate welfare state (which we have had for decades combined with the military-industrial complex) controlling both political parties is upholding the constitution... But for the propaganda of the state nobody would believe the republic is democratic.. it's an oligarchy a managed or guided democracy... Suffice to say special interests need to keep their money out of the hands of politicians and their campaign advertising in order to uphold the constitution and maintain a democratic republic.

    Guided democracy - Wikipedia
     

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