The Israel Thread

Discussion in 'Politics' started by J-DILLA, Sep 24, 2012.

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  1. Shortly after WWII all muslim nations which were heavily influenced by the muslim brotherhood arranged the three nos with israel.

    The 3 'No's of Khartoum

    read this, blades...

    On July 15, five Arab leaders agreed "on the necessary effective steps to eliminate the consequences of imperialist Israeli aggression on the Arab homeland." This language echoed Soviet advice to "liquidate the consequences" of the war without conceding anything to Israel. Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser and his colleagues attempted to stand reality on its head and convince themselves, and the world, that they had been victimized, rather than defeated by Israel in self-defense.

    Regaining confidence, Nasser declared on July 23 "that he was preparing his armed forces to continue the battle against Israel. 'We shall never surrender and shall not accept any peace that means surrender." In addition, he asserted, "'we shall preserve the rights of the Palestinians,'" (A History of Israel: From the Rise of Zionism to Our Time, Howard M. Sachar, Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1996, second edition). These "rights" were to be realized not only by Israeli withdrawal to the 1948 and '49 armistice lines, but eventually to the truncated boundaries proposed in the 1947 U.N. partition plan (rejected by the Arab representatives at the time).

    Finally, the leaders of thirteen Arab states gathered at a summit conference in Khartoum, Sudan from August 29 to September 1. There they pledged to continue their struggle against Israel. Influenced by Nasser, "their conditions were quite specific: no peace with Israel, no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel, and 'maintenance of the rights of the Palestinian people in their nation.' The Khartoum Declaration was the first serious warning to the Israelis that their expectation of an imminent 'phone call' from the Arab world might be a pipe dream" (Sachar).

    This "warning" was reinforced on October 21, when an Egyptian missile boat sunk the Israeli destroyer Eilat, killing 47 people. It was confirmed in November and December, when the Arab states repeatedly rebuffed attempts by Sweden's ambassador to the Soviet Union, Gunnar Jarring — serving as the U.N. secretary general's special envoy - to induce them to join talks with Israel. In fact, the "three no's of Khartoum" held for a dozen years, until Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel — at which point the other 20 member states expelled it from the Arab League.
     
  2. Palestine never existed?

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    I guess "Native Americans" never existed either then? America was always the United States?

    It isn't in the interest of the Zionist agenda to agree to peace, but to expand and consume.

    "When we say that the Arabs are the aggressors and we defend ourselves - that is only half the truth. As regards our security and life we defend ourselves. . . . But the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict, which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves.

    We do not seek an agreement with the [Palestinian] Arabs in order to secure the peace. Of course we regard peace as an essential thing. It is impossible to build up the country in a state of permanent warfare. But peace for us is a mean, and not an end. The end is the fulfillment of Zionism in its maximum scope. Only for this reason do we need peace, and do we need an agreement." - David Ben-Guiron, first Prime Minister of Israel

    In case you claim anti-Semitism, know that I have Jewish ancestry.
     
  3. #63 J-DILLA, Sep 26, 2012
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    Good job! You posted a picture of a map:hello:

    It was never a country, it was part of a British protectorate following the destruction of the Ottoman Empire after WWI. Transjordan was also part of the area. Eventually the protectorate was dissolved and the State of Israel was formed for the Jews and the State of Jordon was created for the peoples that now call themselves Palestinians. The Palestinians rejected this arrangement but they have a state established from the former Ottoman Empire and it is Jordon.

    A country with an independent government has never existed that was called Palestine. It was a name given to a region of the Ottoman Empire, and never a country.

    If Jordan was a part of the Palestine region, why isn't anyone complaining about them?

    Better yet, the map fails to mention that the West Bank and Gaza Strip were acquired by the Israelis during the Six Day War, when Syria, Egypt, and Jordan fought Israel simultaneously and lost. Now the Arabs are whining to get it back.......HA......HA.....HA
     
  4. #64 jay-bird, Sep 26, 2012
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    On top of that, the Muslim Brotherhood, which encompassed most of the middle-eastern remnants of the defeated ottoman empire after World War 1, was sided with Hitler.

    The Brotherhood sabotaged whatever Allied actions they could, while also spreading arabic translations of Hitler's book Mein Kamf...

    just figured I'd throw that out there too
     
  5. And even with that map, you can not get past that despite several agreements from the Israeli side to accept a two-state solution, the arab side have never agreed to sign any such deal. Despite losing a few wars, getting a few hundreds of thousands of refugees and so on.

    It could be settled a long time ago, but arab persistance denies it.

    In 1947 about 800.000 jews from all over the middle east was forcefully evicted towards Israel. They found a new home. They and their ancestors do good.

    At the same time, around 700.000 arabs fled what was to become Israel. Did they find a good home in Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi-Arabia?

    No. Why not?

    So much for muslim brotherhood I guess. Basic fact is, they were not allowed to integrate into their new countries, because arab and muslim pride would not allow it - losing land to a non-muslim entity is not halal. So the shame is on them, the refugees. And they suffer. They lost the land, let them stew.

    As there is no honour amongst thieves, there is no compassion in islam.
     
  6. #66 Rashid, Sep 26, 2012
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    In the same way that there was no country called Israel before 1948? You justify aggressive colonialism on the basis that the British gave no political rights to the native Arab and Jewish populations, even though they promised the Arabs the right of self rule. Palestine was not empty when the Zionist started settling there. Say what you will about their form of currency, it doesn't change the fact that there were people living there.

    The U.N. gave the Jews 56% of the territory and the Arabs were given 43%, despite the Arabs making up 2/3 of the region's total population and owning 92% of the land. The continuous expansion of the Israeli state began as soon as it was created; not just after 1967.

    You're right though. The expulsion of 700,000+ Palestinians from their homes and the countless attacks on civilians by the IDF are clear indications that Israel just wants peace. :rolleyes:

    @Zylark, Jewish populations found peace and refuge in the Middle East while Jews in Europe faced persecution and death. How many wars do you think were fought between native Jews and Arabs living in Palestine before 1948? Know your history.
     
  7. Israel= Zionist state owned and created by the Rothschilds.

    Rothschilds also control every central bank in the world.

    The federal reserve is partly owned by the Rothschild and other Zionist Jew banks, which explains the overwhelming 3billion a year in aid despite of our +trillion dollar debt. Israel has the 4th largest nuclear arsenal in the world, and also has a history of attacking the us.

    Thw people of Israel(who aren't zionists) aren't bad and alot of them oppose the Zionist state. Don't forget the flag of Israel's star of David is actually the Rothschilds family crest and almost all the orthodox Jews oppose it.
     
  8. Israel have Mercabba Tanks Mark 1,2,3,4 & 5 .. made by Israel. 99% of all US Army Jets have 40% Israeli electronics in it & missiles too...

    learn some and then post.
     
  9. Great post J-dilla. Thanks, its time that people knows the truth.

    your last Image sums it all up, they will never recognize Israel. its all games... lucky us we know it.
     
  10. #70 eazye187, Sep 26, 2012
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    Israel has had a history of being erratic and attacked the u.s. once before.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRZSzdQuOqM[/ame]

    Israel has threatened to nuke Europe before
    http://presstv.com/detail/199784.html

    The US contributes more to Israel's defense, than Israeli tax payers.
    http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2012...more-to-israeli-defense-budget-than-israelis/

    http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=22


    Yet, Iran, who has never attacked or been to war in over 300yrs. is being threatened to be attacked israel over the suspicion of have a single nuke. They already assassinated a nuclear scientist.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-threat-to-attack-iran-is-not-a-bluff-deputy-fm-says-1.4639

    http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/ne...en-to-throw-u-s-israeli-relations-into-crisis

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...-iran-nuclear-scientists-report-says-1.411945

    http://www.hangthebankers.com/families-of-assassinated-iranian-scientists-sue-israel-us-uk/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ficials-claim--Israels-real-target-Obama.html


    Yes Iran made comments on destroying Israel but thats like a child threatening an adult.
    Israel has the 4th largest nuclear arsenal.
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    Israel is controlled by the bankster rothchilds just like the federal reserve is. This is why Israel has got away with so much. Rothschilds also controls the media, therefor steer public opinion. Which is why people stray away from identifying the Zionist rulers in the media.

    Jews and Zionists are not the same thing.
     
  11. #71 J-DILLA, Sep 26, 2012
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_3A6_qSBBQ]The Truth About the Refugees: Israel Palestinian Conflict - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAuBc_cbXo0&feature=relmfu"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAuBc_cbXo0&feature=relmfu[/ame]

    Also, you're right! The UN did give the Jews 56% of the land. It was only after 6 or so wars started by the Arabs that the Israelis took over land. Do you really expect Israel to bow down to the Arabs and give the land back after being attacked 6 times?:rolleyes:
     


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    I clearly specified on the OP no rothchild/zionist conspiracies.....



    As for your points on Iran, you and I both know Iran would not hesitate to destroy Israel at the first chance it gets. The only thing deterring it is Israel's nuclear weapons. Heck, I think they're the only country in the Middle East who hasn't attacked Israel before, unless you count supplying Hezbollah militants with weapons as attacking....

    Let's not be naive here, Iran absolutely hates Israel and Jews, and has said that not only Israeli's are at danger, but also all Jews around the world.
     
  13. #73 eazye187, Sep 26, 2012
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    Conspiracy theory? It's facts.
    -It's a fact the Rothschilds created Israel

    -It's a fact the Rothschilds control the Federal Reserve (U.S.) & almost every central bank in the world.

    -Its a fact the Rothschilds banking dynasty has funded both sides of every war for the few hundred years.


    -Its a fact the Zionist Rothschild state of Israel has the 4th largest nuclear arsenal in the world.

    -It's a fact the Rothschilds own the media.

    Dismissing what I am saying and saying it's a conspiracy theory is ignorant.
    You're beating around the bush if you ignore it, playing the same role the mainstream media plays by ignoring those very facts.

    As for Iran, you can't say that. Israel's military is way more advanced than Iran with or without nukes. So don't use that as a reason for defense. Israel threatened to nuke europe before, has attacked the u.s. before, and dwarfs the iranian military. Quit making the zionist state of Israel look innocent. Iran hasn't attacked anyone in over 300 years. Israel on the other than can't say that.
    Israel wont even let inspectors in on nuclear facilities and constantly try to hide the fact that they have a massive nuclear arsenal. Everything goes back to the Rothschilds, so trying to talk about Israel without mentioning the founders and current controllers is like talking about the origins of America and not mentioning the founding fathers.

    and Yes, where you are Canada, you are also under rothschild influence/control the Bank of Canada is a Private Bank, just like the Bank of England and both under Rothschild control. Iran is one of the few countries which isn't under rothschild control. (1 of 3 left in the world)

    None of this is a conspiracy theory, they are conspiracy facts.

    Please do try and disprove me.
     
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