The Greeks Get It

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Dickie4:20, May 24, 2010.

  1. #21 Dickie4:20, May 25, 2010
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    Says the guy who doesnt think America is a capitalist society. /facepalm

    Of course no one is misleading you in your blind support for the capitalists.:rolleyes:

    And judging by the amount time between posting, you didnt even read those links.

    Well that was a good rebuttal.:rolleyes:

    To your first point, wow your an idiot.

    And socialism isn't communism you nitwit.
     
  2. #22 prez420, May 25, 2010
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    So let me get this strait are you saying the USSR was not communist ?

    Also You might want to read this site so u can see socialism and fascism are alot more alike than you think.

    Econlib.org

    The only reason fascist dislike communist/socialist is because they view it as a rival. You will see what I mean when u read the info on that site.

    Yeah unlike liberals, libertarians like myself self love reading. Liberals may try and copy our name but they cant copy our stance on the issues.
     
  3. Of course the USSR was communist NOT socialist.

    And no fascism and socialism really arent alike.


    And no, liberals dont copy right-libertarians.
     
  4. #24 prez420, May 25, 2010
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    hehe finally u said something I can agree with libertarians are right that must mean you think liberals are wrong :D

    K if the USSR wasn't socialist then can you please tell me what USSR stands for ?
     
  5. I used to think he was a genuinely smart guy, but then we found out he was plagiarizing all of his posts on here and none of his thinking was his own.

    At least in the years since then he's gotten better at citing the people who form his thoughts for him.

    We've all tried to explain to him about the economy a million times, but for some reason he still thinks big government plus big business constitutes as capitalism, and he'd rather trust the accredited idiots of the left-wing blogosphere that tell him so.
     
  6. #26 prez420, May 25, 2010
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    That explains alot because he admits the USSR was communist but he wont admit communism and socialism go together hand in glove I even pointed out what USSR stands for and he still wont connect the dots. Sorry I dont post here often so I really dont know the people here that well.
     
  7. I think it's because he doesn't see socialism as an economic system, but a political one.

    The political system in the USSR started out as socialist but turned to communism as it naturally does in an authoritarian democracy. The economic system remained socialistic throughout.

    And the only difference between fascism and socialism is in who owns the corrupted industries, either the state or the state's cronies.
     
  8. It's funny, 'cuz, Hedges is basically advocating that the Greeks go out and kill more people (The death toll of Greek rioting is at 3) and millions in private property damage. Then what's even more laughable, is when people like him report about about the non-violent rise of right-wing 'extremism'. To this date, the Tea Parties have been nothing but peaceful. However, the left-wing anti-Arizona bill riots have been destructive, and the left-wing Greek riots have become deadly.

    I guess that's why MSNBC has been focusing 90% of their attention lately on discrediting Rand Paul for his legitimate libertarian view--because they realize their 'right-wing violence' narrative is falling apart in front of their eyes. Why do liberals like Dickie force me to believe Sir Elliot and Dronetek :(
     

  9. Because truth is what it is and no amount of liberal spin will change that. The liberal BS is clear 99% of the time if only people would step back and see it for what it is. Anyway glad to see your eyes are opening up to the BS they have been feeding everyone. Welcome to the nutjob side of the fence. :wave:
     
  10. Wish I had a hard copy of this article.

    In 60 years it will be a great example of propaganda from a strange time.
     
  11. #31 Dickie4:20, May 25, 2010
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    LOL and this is why no one other than rightwing libertarians post on this forum.

    And when did i ever say the right was violent? Quite the opposite actually, they talk a big game but are cowards.

    Tell me aaronman, who forms your thoughts, other than Ron Paul and Austrian scholars?

    The fact of the matter is, your so far-right that you dont think we live in a capitalist society which is just a jackass idea. You dont think government should have a role in everyday life.

    Libertarians, farther right than the far right.

    Why dont we have national libertarians? If there are so many of you, why arent there any in elected national office? Its because your views and the libertarian candidates views may be placed on principal, but not on reality.

    In your minds, being racist is a personal liberty. The fact that those racists deny liberties to people because of race, gender, sexual preference, etc. isnt really important. Collateral damage in a libertarians world. Our freedom to pursue happiness is not as important as a racists freedom to express his own hatred for us by denying us freedoms in a libertarian world. And in this world view, those racist vermin eventually wont be able to compete with the non racists, and all is well that ends well.

    Social Security? Nope. Medicare? Nope. Medicaid. Hell no. Department of Education? Get rid of it.


    If we've learned anything over the past few years and imo few decades its that the free market will not police itself, it needs better oversight.


    But in libertarians world, its ok if the poor and marginalized are expected to pay for the cost of the supposed liberties of the rich and powerful.
     
  12. #32 Gooch_Goblin69, May 26, 2010
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    Ok then since Nazi Germany still had SOME free market aspects to it it was not a nationalist-socialist facist state, it was a capitalist state?
     
  13. Come on now, do you really think it's a good idea to force racists to make food for people they hate? Sounds kinda gross to me...
     
  14. Way to keep up the level of civil discourse. There's so much substance here.

    Ah, more logical fallacies. Who coulda guessed?

    Damn, Dickie's got us pegged. :rolleyes:


    It's probably not because of coercion that we oppose those programs. Naa, definitely not.


    :laughing:
     
  15. #35 edward, May 26, 2010
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    Capitalism is characterized by private ownership and a lack of regulation.

    We are taxed on over 50% of our labor, therefore only a bit less than half of the economy is privately owned. Furthermore, this privately owned half is heavily regulated with everything from inspections to taxes to operating fees. You can blame this half, watered down version of capitalism we have complete with a centralized monetary policy on world economic problems if you wish, but don't get it confused with real capitalism where the individual owns 100% of his labor.

    Also, the word "free market" might be preferable if you want to avoid the automatic reaction you have to the evil word "capitalism."
     
  16. I'd think that (unlike yourself) aaronman doesn't need his thoughts 'formed' by anyone. Of course we all have influences, but I'm sure he has his own ideas that are different than Ron Paul and the Austrian school. Take a step back from your computer, breathe a little bit, and calm down.

    Oh, and I found your source again. You're copy/pasta'ing from another prog-left blog, and paraphrasing the central topic. I'll make sure to include a quotation from the blog post, and highlight the similarities of each paragraph you wrote.

    Anyone with half a brain, and a decent education in economics realizes that we don't live in a capitalist country. We live under a system called corporatism with a mix of mercantilism. If you want to be more specific, you could say our economy is 'state capitalism' (socialism).

    Copy/Pasta #1:

    :smoking:

    Libertarians are not part of the false left/right paradigm. Libertarians are more socially liberal than most liberals. Libertarians also follow a completely different economics system than conservatives do. I don't see how you can say 'libertarians' are farther right than the far right, because that's patently false.

    Copy/Pasta #2:

    This is a senseless argument. Just because something isn't in the mainstream doesn't mean it's bad. God, what a terrible argument.

    Copy/Pasta #3:


    Damn, you almost Copy/Pasta'd that last bit, word-for-word!


    And, the libertarian argument for personal liberty and the destruction of Government programs is based on a priori reasoning against market interventions. They create unintended consequences, which makes these programs terrible.



    Copy/Past #4:

    We don't even have a free market, so calling the US economy a 'free market' is a non sequitur. Nice try!

    Last, but not least, Copy/Pasta #5:

    There's no response to that, other than a big fat;

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Is plagiarism against the rules? *goes to check GC rules* :bolt:
     
  18. Have you ever read a history book in your life?

    Fascism and socialism are complete opposites.

    Fascism was created as a response to leftist social movements because it protects the power of the ruling class and private enterprise.

    Remember Germany after World War I? Probably not, so let me explain it to you. After being beaten down so horrible by the rest of the world in the first World War, Germany's economy was dead and the people were suffering.

    Change was on the horizon, and the socialist movement was increasingly getting more powerful.

    The government and ruling elites were terrified obviously as the popularity of their leadership was crumbling and the angry people were being drawn towards this radical new socialism stuff.

    But the socialist movement wasn't the only movement gaining steam in Germany at the time. The right-wing had their own radical movement that was upset with the status quo and wanted change. Led by Adolf Hitler, the fascist movement drew people to its ranks by appealing to ethnic superiority, anti-semitism, national pride, racial pride, the thirst for a strong central government, and the protection of the wealthy.

    All of these ideas, while obviously more extreme, sat perfectly in line with the current German government's views.

    So, while the fascists and the socialists were fighting in the streets the German government had to pick someone to side with so that they could keep their power. So who do you think they sided with, the fascists, or the leftist revolutionaries who wanted to see all the rich bureaucrats that ran the government be hung?

    I think you know what the answer is.

    It happened the same way in Italy with the Italian fascist movement, except the Italians weren't as obsessed with ethnic superiority and anti-semitism. They just wanted to protect the rich and powerful from the angry workers across Italy trying to organize towards socialism.
     
  19. It's funny, socialists like to claim they're against fascism, but they impose fascism on an economic level.
     
  20. Fascism and Socialism are basically the same thing, actually. What is NSDAP short for??
     

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