The Banned Letter from UCB History Prof on BLM

Discussion in 'Politics' started by VikingToker, Jun 14, 2020.

  1. #1 VikingToker, Jun 14, 2020
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    Edit: Several points in the letter countered. See ChiefRunningPhist's post below.

    I thought this was a really fascinating read. There's no concrete proof that this was written by the professor, but apparently has been circulating in the internal mailing system at UCB and the skill level of writing is certainly at professor level.

    I've not seen this perspective presented so well, and recommend a read-through.


    Relevant: Reaction from the University

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    Letter:

    UC Berkeley History Professor’s Open Letter Against BLM, Police Brutality And Cultural Orthodoxy

    NONE JUNE 11, 2020
    The following letter was allegedly written by a UC Berkeley history professor and shared among his or her colleagues anonymously (source / archive link):

    Dear profs X, Y, Z

    I am one of your colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley. I have met you both personally but do not know you closely, and am contacting you anonymously, with apologies. I am worried that writing this email publicly might lead to me losing my job, and likely all future jobs in my field.

    In your recent departmental emails you mentioned our pledge to diversity, but I am increasingly alarmed by the absence of diversity of opinion on the topic of the recent protests and our community response to them.

    In the extended links and resources you provided, I could not find a single instance of substantial counter-argument or alternative narrative to explain the under-representation of black individuals in academia or their over-representation in the criminal justice system. The explanation provided in your documentation, to the near exclusion of all others, is univariate: the problems of the black community are caused by whites, or, when whites are not physically present, by the infiltration of white supremacy and white systemic racism into American brains, souls, and institutions.

    Many cogent objections to this thesis have been raised by sober voices, including from within the black community itself, such as Thomas Sowell and Wilfred Reilly. These people are not racists or ‘Uncle Toms’. They are intelligent scholars who reject a narrative that strips black people of agency and systematically externalizes the problems of the black community onto outsiders. Their view is entirely absent from the departmental and UCB-wide communiques.

    The claim that the difficulties that the black community faces are entirely causally explained by exogenous factors in the form of white systemic racism, white supremacy, and other forms of white discrimination remains a problematic hypothesis that should be vigorously challenged by historians. Instead, it is being treated as an axiomatic and actionable truth without serious consideration of its profound flaws, or its worrying implication of total black impotence. This hypothesis is transforming our institution and our culture, without any space for dissent outside of a tightly policed, narrow discourse.

    A counternarrative exists. If you have time, please consider examining some of the documents I attach at the end of this email.

    Overwhelmingly, the reasoning provided by BLM and allies is either primarily anecdotal (as in the case with the bulk of Ta-Nehisi Coates’ undeniably moving article) or it is transparently motivated. As an example of the latter problem, consider the proportion of black incarcerated Americans. This proportion is often used to characterize the criminal justice system as anti-black. However, if we use the precise same methodology, we would have to conclude that the criminal justice system is even more anti-male than it is anti-black. Would we characterize criminal justice as a systemically misandrist conspiracy against innocent American men? I hope you see that this type of reasoning is flawed, and requires a significant suspension of our rational faculties. Black people are not incarcerated at higher rates than their involvement in violent crime would predict. This fact has been demonstrated multiple times across multiple jurisdictions in multiple countries. And yet, I see my department uncritically reproducing a narrative that diminishes black agency in favor of a white-centric explanation that appeals to the department’s apparent desire to shoulder the ‘white man’s burden’ and to promote a narrative of white guilt.

    If we claim that the criminal justice system is white-supremacist, why is it that Asian Americans, Indian Americans, and Nigerian Americans are incarcerated at vastly lower rates than white Americans? This is a funny sort of white supremacy. Even Jewish Americans are incarcerated less than gentile whites. I think it’s fair to say that your average white supremacist disapproves of Jews. And yet, these alleged white supremacists incarcerate gentiles at vastly higher rates than Jews. None of this is addressed in your literature. None of this is explained, beyond hand-waving and ad hominems. “Those are racist dogwhistles”. “The model minority myth is white supremacist”. “Only fascists talk about black-on-black crime”, ad nauseam. These types of statements do not amount to counterarguments: they are simply arbitrary offensive classifications, intended to silence and oppress discourse. Any serious historian will recognize these for the silencing orthodoxy tactics they are, common to suppressive regimes, doctrines, and religions throughout time and space. They are intended to crush real diversity and permanently exile the culture of robust criticism from our department.

    Increasingly, we are being called upon to comply and subscribe to BLM’s problematic view of history, and the department is being presented as unified on the matter. In particular, ethnic minorities are being aggressively marshaled into a single position. Any apparent unity is surely a function of the fact that dissent could almost certainly lead to expulsion or cancellation for those of us in a precarious position, which is no small number.

    I personally don’t dare speak out against the BLM narrative, and with this barrage of alleged unity being mass-produced by the administration, tenured professoriat, the UC administration, corporate America, and the media, the punishment for dissent is a clear danger at a time of widespread economic vulnerability. I am certain that if my name were attached to this email, I would lose my job and all future jobs, even though I believe in and can justify every word I type.

    The vast majority of violence visited on the black community is committed by black people. There are virtually no marches for these invisible victims, no public silences, no heartfelt letters from the UC regents, deans, and departmental heads. The message is clear: Black lives only matter when whites take them. Black violence is expected and insoluble, while white violence requires explanation and demands solution. Please look into your hearts and see how monstrously bigoted this formulation truly is.

    No discussion is permitted for nonblack victims of black violence, who proportionally outnumber black victims of nonblack violence. This is especially bitter in the Bay Area, where Asian victimization by black assailants has reached epidemic proportions, to the point that the SF police chief has advised Asians to stop hanging good-luck charms on their doors, as this attracts the attention of (overwhelmingly black) home invaders. Home invaders like George Floyd. For this actual, lived, physically experienced reality of violence in the USA, there are no marches, no tearful emails from departmental heads, no support from McDonald’s and Wal-Mart. For the History department, our silence is not a mere abrogation of our duty to shed light on the truth: it is a rejection of it.

    The claim that black intraracial violence is the product of redlining, slavery, and other injustices is a largely historical claim. It is for historians, therefore, to explain why Japanese internment or the massacre of European Jewry hasn’t led to equivalent rates of dysfunction and low SES performance among Japanese and Jewish Americans respectively. Arab Americans have been viciously demonized since 9/11, as have Chinese Americans more recently. However, both groups outperform white Americans on nearly all SES indices – as do Nigerian Americans, who incidentally have black skin. It is for historians to point out and discuss these anomalies. However, no real discussion is possible in the current climate at our department. The explanation is provided to us, disagreement with it is racist, and the job of historians is to further explore additional ways in which the explanation is additionally correct. This is a mockery of the historical profession.

    Most troublingly, our department appears to have been entirely captured by the interests of the Democratic National Convention, and the Democratic Party more broadly. To explain what I mean, consider what happens if you choose to donate to Black Lives Matter, an organization UCB History has explicitly promoted in its recent mailers. All donations to the official BLM website are immediately redirected to ActBlue Charities, an organization primarily concerned with bankrolling election campaigns for Democrat candidates. Donating to BLM today is to indirectly donate to Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign. This is grotesque given the fact that the American cities with the worst rates of black-on-black violence and police-on-black violence are overwhelmingly Democrat-run. Minneapolis itself has been entirely in the hands of Democrats for over five decades; the ‘systemic racism’ there was built by successive Democrat administrations.

    The patronizing and condescending attitudes of Democrat leaders towards the black community, exemplified by nearly every Biden statement on the black race, all but guarantee a perpetual state of misery, resentment, poverty, and the attendant grievance politics which are simultaneously annihilating American political discourse and black lives. And yet, donating to BLM is bankrolling the election campaigns of men like Mayor Frey, who saw their cities devolve into violence. This is a grotesque capture of a good-faith movement for necessary police reform, and of our department, by a political party. Even worse, there are virtually no avenues for dissent in academic circles. I refuse to serve the Party, and so should you. The total alliance of major corporations involved in human exploitation with BLM should be a warning flag to us, and yet this damning evidence goes unnoticed, purposefully ignored, or perversely celebrated. We are the useful idiots of the wealthiest classes, carrying water for Jeff Bezos and other actual, real, modern-day slavers. Starbucks, an organisation using literal black slaves in its coffee plantation suppliers, is in favor of BLM. Sony, an organisation using cobalt mined by yet more literal black slaves, many of whom are children, is in favor of BLM. And so, apparently, are we. The absence of counter-narrative enables this obscenity. Fiat lux, indeed.

    There also exists a large constituency of what can only be called ‘race hustlers’: hucksters of all colors who benefit from stoking the fires of racial conflict to secure administrative jobs, charity management positions, academic jobs and advancement, or personal political entrepreneurship.

    Given the direction our history department appears to be taking far from any commitment to truth, we can regard ourselves as a formative training institution for this brand of snake-oil salespeople. Their activities are corrosive, demolishing any hope at harmonious racial coexistence in our nation and colonizing our political and institutional life. Many of their voices are unironically segregationist. MLK would likely be called an Uncle Tom if he spoke on our campus today. We are training leaders who intend, explicitly, to destroy one of the only truly successful ethnically diverse societies in modern history. As the PRC, an ethnonationalist and aggressively racially chauvinist national polity with null immigration and no concept of jus solis increasingly presents itself as the global political alternative to the US, I ask you: Is this wise? Are we really doing the right thing?

    As a final point, our university and department has made multiple statements celebrating and eulogizing George Floyd. Floyd was a multiple felon who once held a pregnant black woman at gunpoint. He broke into her home with a gang of men and pointed a gun at her pregnant stomach. He terrorized the women in his community. He sired and abandoned multiple children, playing no part in their support or upbringing, failing one of the most basic tests of decency for a human being. He was a drug-addict and sometime drug-dealer, a swindler who preyed upon his honest and hard-working neighbors.

    And yet, the regents of UC and the historians of the UCB History department are celebrating this violent criminal, elevating his name to virtual sainthood. A man who hurt women. A man who hurt black women. With the full collaboration of the UCB history department, corporate America, most mainstream media outlets, and some of the wealthiest and most privileged opinion-shaping elites of the USA, he has become a culture hero, buried in a golden casket, his (recognized) family showered with gifts and praise. Americans are being socially pressured into kneeling for this violent, abusive misogynist. A generation of black men are being coerced into identifying with George Floyd, the absolute worst specimen of our race and species. I’m ashamed of my department. I would say that I’m ashamed of both of you, but perhaps you agree with me, and are simply afraid, as I am, of the backlash of speaking the truth. It’s hard to know what kneeling means, when you have to kneel to keep your job.

    It shouldn’t affect the strength of my argument above, but for the record, I write as a person of color. My family have been personally victimized by men like Floyd. We are aware of the condescending depredations of the Democrat party against our race. The humiliating assumption that we are too stupid to do STEM, that we need special help and lower requirements to get ahead in life, is richly familiar to us. I sometimes wonder if it wouldn’t be easier to deal with open fascists, who at least would be straightforward in calling me a subhuman, and who are unlikely to share my race.

    The ever-present soft bigotry of low expectations and the permanent claim that the solutions to the plight of my people rest exclusively on the goodwill of whites rather than on our own hard work is psychologically devastating. No other group in America is systematically demoralized in this way by its alleged allies. A whole generation of black children are being taught that only by begging and weeping and screaming will they get handouts from guilt-ridden whites. No message will more surely devastate their futures, especially if whites run out of guilt, or indeed if America runs out of whites. If this had been done to Japanese Americans, or Jewish Americans, or Chinese Americans, then Chinatown and Japantown would surely be no different to the roughest parts of Baltimore and East St. Louis today. The History department of UCB is now an integral institutional promulgator of a destructive and denigrating fallacy about the black race.

    I hope you appreciate the frustration behind this message. I do not support BLM. I do not support the Democrat grievance agenda and the Party’s uncontested capture of our department. I do not support the Party co-opting my race, as Biden recently did in his disturbing interview, claiming that voting Democrat and being black are isomorphic. I condemn the manner of George Floyd’s death and join you in calling for greater police accountability and police reform. However, I will not pretend that George Floyd was anything other than a violent misogynist, a brutal man who met a predictably brutal end.

    I also want to protect the practice of history. Cleo is no grovelling handmaiden to politicians and corporations. Like us, she is free.
     
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  2. Yeah that's a bit technical for my little Scottish brain but basically he's saying the blacks are the ones being racist and there's nothing to suggest that any of their claims are true?
    If so I couldn't agree more. This is the most racist thing I've ever seen. It honestly disgusts me how black people are behaving just now.
    Mindless, racist, violent fuckin idiots.
     
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  3. No, I think he's protesting exactly this kind of generalization and whole-scale scapegoating based on skincolor, regardless of if it's white or black.
     
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  4. I'll give it a good read later. I'm still bit rough for deciphering that kind of text lol
     
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  5. Oh man, that was extremely well thought out and written. Thank you for posting it, too bad the people that need to read it won't but if they did they'd disregard it because they couldn't possibly argue against a word of it.
     
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  6. Ahh Yeah, he is on my side "look into your hearts and see how monsterouslly bigoted this is "
    The guys just repeated everything I've just spent the last 2 weeks shouting about on here and done it like a fuckin boss.
    See him mention how black lives only matter when they are taken by whites.
    He explains there is actually nothing at all to suggest any form of systemic racism by the govt because as I've been saying this whole time.
    Black crime is only high in areas full of blacks.
    To say involves any sort of racism you would also have to push the point that the police are more anti white male than anything else.
    Glad to see even the scholars agree with me.
    Black people right now should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.
    Bunch of racist, warmongering morons who I stead of hitching about the white man should take some responsibility for their actions and educated themselves out of the hardship they're forcing upon themselves.
    Their current state of affairs has absolutely hee haw to do with white people or racism.
    They've shown their true colours now though.
     
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  7. Great read.

    Usually when Whitey gets negatively involved with Blacks it’s oppression/racism.

    But when it’s Black on Black it’s just competition or unimportant.

    White, purple, yellow, black, pink, rainbow, does the color of your skin really matter?

    if you’re a piece of shit, I don’t think your skin makes you that piece of shit or not, it’s by choice.
     
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  8. See what I would like an explanation of..
    And feel free to offer one if you think you can....
    What's the difference between....

    A mob of black men rioting, shouting about black power and accusing all whites who oppose them as being racist..
    And...
    A mob of KKK members rioting, shouting about white power and accusing all black people who oppose them as being racist.

    If someone can explain the difference there then I'll concede. Shut the fuck up on all these threads.
    Admit that I was wrong and that black people are not actually the most racist people on earth.
    Not saying all blacks are racist but current events prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that the majority of them are extremely so.
     
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  9. #9 garrison68, Jun 15, 2020
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    Excerpt from the post above by VikingToker:
    True or False?
    The rumor that donations to BLM are automatically funneled to the DNC, is false.

    Donations to Black Lives Matter Group Don't Go to DNC

    I'm also very skeptical about the anonymous author's claim that he's a Berkeley history professor, who happens to be Black and somewhat conservative.
     
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  10. The white man bought the blacks....









    But it was the blacks that rounded them selves up and sold them selves to the world as a commodity.

    Cant fucking give you a good answer there.



    @VikingToker
    Thank you for the read.
     
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  11. #11 Spanish@rcher, Jun 15, 2020
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    White man never bought the black man.
    European man enslaved the less advanced African man.
    The fact that they were white and black is purely coincidental and doesn't justify black people enciting a race war about it 200 years later.
    By all accounts the Africans have been on earth for tens or hundreds of thousands of years more than the rest of us so it was their own fault for not advancing themselves and becoming complacent.
    White mans been on earth for a heartbeat in the grander scheme of things.
    They were just a lot more sensible and made sure nobody made them their bitch.

    At a time where the world was so volatile and people were actively conquering other countries they should have been better defended.
     
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  12. BBC - History - British History in depth: Africa and the Transatlantic Slave Trade

    Guess from the last hour of research in the 1650's criminals, debtors and wrong doers that were enslaved were initially sold( traded), but it wasnt long before the Portuguese and Europeans started kidnapping.

    Got a couple more hours and articles to go but am going to call it a night
     
  13. I'm so anti BBC that I've only just caught series 8 of still game on netflix mate.
    If their history is anything like their modern reporting it's about as biased and nonsensical as all this polava.
    I refuse to watch or read anything associated with them. It's generally 90% lies and 10% bullshit.
    I'd be aswell just making the news up myself lol.
     
  14. Thanks for this information. The letter is indeed not verifiable - it's not there for the credit of being a professor's writing, but for being good writing.
     
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  15. Well..whoever wrote this needs to take one for the team to legitimatize this article

    Well written nonetheless



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  16. #16 ChiefRunningPhist, Jun 15, 2020
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    Poor arguments made through eloquent prose.

    I can't quite believe that this is a person rooted in the objectivity of science. Men aren't to women, as black men are to white men. Its not a correct argument. When you look at incarceration rates of women along racial lines you see that black women are also incarcerated at higher rates than other ethniticies.
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    Black people are not incarcerated at higher rates than their involvement in violent crime would predict.
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    This is loaded. Yes violent offenders make up the majority of the prison population, but there's still a very real disparity in the rates incacerated between ethnicities. Comparing case by case, sure you can put the onus on the individual for committing the act, but you can't put the onus of the disparity onto the group. There have been countless researchers and studies looking into the reasons, and they are far from concluding the disparity being the sole responsibilty of the target group. I've talked about much of the reasons already, including individual economic standing which leads to unequal access to a successful legal defense, along with the level of education acquired and the correlation it has on the probability of violent crime committed.
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    Asian Americans, Indian Americans, and Nigerian Americans are incarcerated at vastly lower rates than white Americans? This is a funny sort of white supremacy. Even Jewish Americans are incarcerated less than gentile whites.
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    I didn't know that we didn't allow Jews to vote for centuries? Or that we enslaved Indians or Asians? I'd also think that Nigerian Americans would fall under the umbrella of African Americans. Yes there is quite a bit of white supremacist history in America, but mostly agaisnt native Americans and blacks. Sure we put the Japanese in internment camps during WW2, but thats nowhere close to how we've systematically repressed the blacks, and we fought and toppled Nazi Germany who was attempting to eradicate the Jews. There's a bit of a different history and intensity in how America demonstrated its racism between the groups listed. These other comparitive minorities aren't coming from the same historical place and not suffering from the same systemic racism of blacks. We didn't have asian bathrooms or Jewish bathrooms ect. They are typically socially shunned but not systematically oppressed like the blacks have been, they just don't have near the history. The groups listed are sprinkled amongst white populations as opposed to having a history of being redlined and segregated to a heavily policed area with poor public funding ect. The influencing factors of the disparities we see today aren't always because judge "so and so" is a KKK white supremacist, but largely resultant from the architecture of the system, and the policies previously pushed. The differences in the groups' histories in relation to America is not being accounted for when using the "other minority" argument.


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    Black violence is expected and insoluble, while white violence requires explanation and demands solution. Please look into your hearts and see how monstrously bigoted this formulation truly is.
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    No. No one is denying that blacks kill blacks. Again, social scientists have several explanations and reasons that have been studied ect, but the main thing is that it really is irrelevant to the public outcry of police killing blacks or systemic racism. They are 2 seperate observations and 1 observation shouldn't be used to undermine a very real disparity. They are not mutually exclusive. The data doesn't lie, and the experts seem to look to a lack of motivation to invest in these communities as a large cause of the problems they face (black on black crime). Poor schools, incarcerated parents, zero tolerance police policies, defunded social services, poor access to medical care, ect all lead to the problems many of these communities face. Look at the trailer park full of whites. Its the same thing, poor education, lack of parents due to incarceration or addiction ect, lack of medical access or access to transportation. When these things are prevalent it becomes very hard to break the cycle and the majority won't be able to. TBH if you're going to wield the "black on black" crime BS, you might as well talk about "white on white" crime.
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    The Asian victimization observation is again stereotyping an entire community to dismiss systemic racism as a large factor in black incarceration rates. Its really conniving and distasteful.


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    All donations to the official BLM website are immediately redirected to ActBlue Charities, an organization primarily concerned with bankrolling election campaigns for Democrat candidates. Donating to BLM today is to indirectly donate to Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign.
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    No. This letter is beginning to hit on every right wing talking point and conspiracy theory. I'm curious if it's Candace Owens behind it. Sounds very much like her brand of misinformation.
    Donations to Black Lives Matter Group Don't Go to DNC


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    There also exists a large constituency of what can only be called ‘race hustlers’: hucksters of all colors who benefit from stoking the fires of racial conflict to secure administrative jobs, charity management positions, academic jobs and advancement, or personal political entrepreneurship.
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    Finally some truth to what's being promoted, but if people are pushing a just cause to get a job or advance their career, how bad are we really upset here?


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    MLK would likely be called an Uncle Tom if he spoke on our campus today.
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    No. Just no. Starting to go off the deep end here.


    You can call George Floyd all the names in the book. Take issue with his past. Demonize his choices, but the reality is that he was killed by 3 cops before his day in court. It doesn't matter what you think of him or his past, murder by cop and the typical subsequent acquittal is unjust and what the protests were started around. Its happening much to often, George Floyd wasn't a 1-off situation.


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    We are aware of the condescending depredations of the Democrat party against our race. The humiliating assumption that we are too stupid to do STEM, that we need special help and lower requirements to get ahead in life, is richly familiar to us.
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    No. Democrats have never pushed a "too stupid" narrative. In fact they've always promoted that blacks and whites are equal (including intelligence) and thus why all the outrage in the disparity of the stats. The author can't have it both ways. The author can't suggest and shift blame to the black community in one instance, but then turn around and blame the Dems for a disparity in another.


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    The ever-present soft bigotry of low expectations and the permanent claim that the solutions to the plight of my people rest exclusively on the goodwill of whites rather than on our own hard work is psychologically devastating. No other group in America is systematically demoralized in this way by its alleged allies. A whole generation of black children are being taught that only by begging and weeping and screaming will they get handouts from guilt-ridden whites. No message will more surely devastate their futures, especially if whites run out of guilt, or indeed if America runs out of whites.
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    Of course the author will summarize with essentially, "it's all in your head." Completely dismisses the documented systemic racism that prevails and influences many of these topics. Agree that psychology plays a part, but again its stereotyping an entire community as essentially being too stupid to think for themselves. It's utterly ridiculous.


    They hit "black on black" crime, demonized George Floyd's past, Jeff Bezos (lol), BLM donation conspiracy, ect, all while not providing a single piece of data or documentstion to support or validate the claims made. Imo its pretty much garbage. Sit down with someone that has a degree in social sciences ect and they'll have all the stats and info to explain and refute these talking points. I'm not a social scientist but to me this wasn't based in fact or expert analysis of the data, rather it seems more like right wing propoganda.
     
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  17. Thanks for this contribution, there's a lot here I didn't know, particularly how it all fits with a right-wing narrative. Surprised to see black on white violence was higher than white on black, though!

    Where did you learn about this topic from, where do you have your counter-narrative from? As you point out this hits a lot of right wing talking points - but the left has lots of those too, and are equally as convinced of them. Apologies if I seem paranoid.
     
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  18. #18 Reo, Jun 15, 2020
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    Yeah comparing that BBC article( and other British based resources) to others I ive read I know exactly what you mean. Biased af

    Still digging here and there but from my grasp there isnt a whole lot of preserved history of the African slave coast from the 1400 to 1700's.

    Bits and pieces of African culture here and there, mention of slavery amongst themselves either being indebted, criminals, or prisoners of war I guess like any other culture, initial selling of slaves for trade, then from there Portuguese coming and kidnapping for Brazilian labour shortly after more euro states joining in for plantations across the tropics/lower states of America.

    Know more than I did yesterday
     
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  19. You should look into the Arabic slave trade in Africa while you're at it, Africans have been taking a beating by the rest of the world for a long time now.

    I grew up in Nigeria and Namibia in part - and I can tell you that nearly everyone in the West knows nothing of African history or culture beyond pyramids and evil white colonizers and slavers.
     
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  20. Yeah I came across mention of Asian influence while reading but didn't vear out of the rabbit hole I was in.

    If history in schools is being tuagh the same way I got tuagh then they only focus as far back as apartheid.
     
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