after reading and and looking at my checking account, i am going to use the link you showed me in one of my first post. it is a cheap fluoro setup that i think will fit my needs (and pocketbook) just right. here is the link if anyone wants to check it out. thank you john. http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?t=21575&onlyuser=&perpage=15?pagenumber=1