do u realize the \"rich\" the ones u want to buy for all the lazy assholes in this country, are the ones that spend all the money, make all the jobs, basicly support this country. Small business are 7 out of every 10 jobs in this country. Tax them more, and their profit goes down, thus their employement goes down, thus u have something new to bitch about. Take a fucking economic class. Your class envy makes me want to litterly vomit. Those greedy bastards lol. They went to school, they work their ass off, you want to punish them for thier success out of your own petty jeliously. shame on you. Its a fact, all the ones in favor of taxing the hell out of them, the ones with class envy, are for the most part poor and lower middle class. You do it to yourselves. stop blaming the rich!!!!! i think everyone should pay their share, nothing more, nothing less. I think it is bogus to tax them more because of your jeliousy and to make up for your laziness and your shortcommings.
I don\'t believe this. Many of the small business created in the USA are by people who earn under $200K I didn\'t say \"tax business\". I will leave that for another issue. I also believe that few people who actually own small business don\'t make $200K. The business may gross a bunch of money, but the owners don\'t necessarily take home over $200K I have worked very hard since I can remember. Let\'s see, that\'s 30 years of hard work for myself alone! I guess the working classes just don\'t work their asses off. The rich do not have anything to be envious of! And as I have said, I have worked very hard for my whole life. I have always had a job.
most small business file tazes under personal income tax. you raise the tax on the rich, you raise the tax on the business. yes, to say the rich are greedy bastards shows u have class envy. you are trying to start class warfare. i think we should give the small business the tax breaks of big buinesses. btw, 200,00 a yr is not rich. you can make that, and owe 175,000 wich leaves u with 25,000, not very rich. you have worked hard for 30 yrs, although your language is nowhere close to that of an educated or a 40 yr old man, you know the value of hard work. well these \"rich\" people have had many years of schooling, worked very hard themselves, so why should they be punished for their success? everyone should accept personal responsiblity for their actions. The top 20% already pay 80% of the taxes, yet you want to tax them more! that is insane, and if you call the rich greedy bastards, you are jelious. plane and simple.
This is another issue that could be discussed. Perhaps small businesses shouldn\'t be able to file under personal tax? I know these S Corps are pretty popular now. Why? I don\'t know. Is it only because it makes filing taxes easier? Probably not. One thing I will say is this: In the 1950\'s 35% of the tax revenue collected by the USA was paid for by business! Now it\'s down to about 6%! We definitely need to close the loopholes! I don\'t care how much schooling you have or how hard you\'ve worked, you should have to pay your fair share! But alas we see too often corporations and the wealthy doing all they can to avoid these taxes! Yeah, the rich may pay 80% of the taxes but the do have 90% of the money! One thing that has happened in the past few years is the reduction of the ammount of money the IRS has to track down these tax cheats! I\'m not pointing fingers at any party here, they are all involved!
National sales tax edit..and just think about how much money we would save when we got rid of the IRS!!
they do this to aviod being further raped on taxes by the liberals. i doubt u fully understand how much they have to pay, how small their profit margin is. question, what is the average profit % of most businesses?? think maybe 20%? hellno, they are doing good to get 6%. Most shoot to make 5% profit. You want to raise their taxes and further take their profit away, or force them to raise taxes. both you will complain about. Conservatives want to make it easier for small business to compete, offer healthcare, things of that nature. yes, we should get rid of the IRS. A national sales tax! you mean the poor would accually have to pay? not in this country! The liberals simply wouldnt stand for making people responsible for their own lives! Lets rape the wealthy, those greedy sons of bitches, and make them support the lazy drains on our society!
I\'m just wondering what else we shouldo with these lazy drains on our society? Kill them? They won\'t work, they are lazy. I guess they should just die! Those fuckers! Lazy mothers! Survival of the fittest!
Now this tax will be paid when a person buys something I guess, thus, since the rich have more money they will buy more and thus pay more. Hmmm. I don\'t know. If we have a minimum wage then why not a maximum wage as well?
so u think the rich should support them, correct? well lets look at the cause for their plight. Most of them have no education, most of them are content with living off the govt. Since you are new, you havent heard what i think we should do.Handouts are not the answer. We should educate, give them the tools they need, instead of rewarding them for doing nothing.
\"From across the political and ideological spectrum, there is now almost universal acknowledgement that the American social welfare system has been a failure. Since the start of the \"war on poverty\" in 1965, the United States has spent more than $5 trillion trying to ease the plight of the poor. What we have received for this massive investment is -- primarily -- more poverty. Our welfare system is unfair to everyone: to taxpayers who must pick up the bill for failed programs; to society, whose mediating institutions of community, church and family are increasingly pushed aside; and most of all to the poor themselves, who are trapped in a system that destroys opportunity for themselves and hope for their children. The Libertarian Party believes it is time for a new approach to fighting poverty. It is a program based on opportunity, work, and individual responsibility. 1. End Welfare None of the proposals currently being advanced by either conservatives or liberals is likely to fix the fundamental problems with our welfare system. Current proposals for welfare reform, including block grants, job training, and \"workfare\" represent mere tinkering with a failed system. It is time to recognize that welfare cannot be reformed: it should be ended. We should eliminate the entire social welfare system. This includes eliminating AFDC, food stamps, subsidized housing, and all the rest. Individuals who are unable to fully support themselves and their families through the job market must, once again, learn to rely on supportive family, church, community, or private charity to bridge the gap. 2. Establish a dollar-for-dollar tax credit for contributions to private charity If the federal government\'s attempt at charity has been a dismal failure, private efforts have been much more successful. America is the most generous nation on earth. We already contribute more than $125 billion annually to charity. However, as we phase out inefficient government welfare, private charities must be able to step up and fill the void. To help facilitate this transfer of responsibility from government welfare to private charity, the federal government should offer a dollar-for-dollar tax credit for contributions to private charities that provide social-welfare services. That is to say, if an individual gives a dollar to charity, he should be able to reduce his tax liability by a dollar. 3. Tear down barriers to entrepreneurism and economic growth Almost everyone agrees that a job is better than any welfare program. Yet for years this country has pursued tax and regulatory policies that seem perversely designed to discourage economic growth and reduce entrepreneurial opportunities. Someone starting a business today needs a battery of lawyers just to comply with the myriad of government regulations from a virtual alphabet soup of government agencies: OSHA, EPA, FTC, CPSC, etc. Zoning and occupational licensing laws are particularly damaging to the type of small businesses that may help people work their way out of poverty. In addition, government regulations such as minimum wage laws and mandated benefits drive up the cost of employing additional workers. We call for the repeal of government regulations and taxes that are steadily cutting the bottom rungs off the economic ladder. 4. Reform education There can be no serious attempt to solve the problem of poverty in America without addressing our failed government-run school system. Nearly forty years after Brown vs. Board of Education, America\'s schools are becoming increasingly segregated, not on the basis of race, but on income. Wealthy and middle class parents are able to send their children to private schools, or at least move to a district with better public schools. Poor families are trapped -- forced to send their children to a public school system that fails to educate. It is time to break up the public education monopoly and give all parents the right to decide what school their children will attend. It is essential to restore choice and the discipline of the marketplace to education. Only a free market in education will provide the improvement in education necessary to enable millions of Americans to escape poverty. Summary We should not pretend that reforming our welfare system will be easy or painless. In particular it will be difficult for those people who currently use welfare the way it was intended -- as a temporary support mechanism during hard times. However, these people remain on welfare for short periods of time. A compassionate society will find other ways to help people who need temporary assistance. But our current government-run welfare system is costly to taxpayers and cruel to the children born into a cycle of welfare dependency and hopelessness. The Libertarian Party offers a positive alternative to the failed welfare state. We offer a vision of a society based on work, individual responsibility, and private charity. It is a society based on opportunity and genuine compassion It is a society built on liberty. \" www.lp.org
I will only accept a flat tax if the rich folks in this country can prove they\'re responsible. What you guys don\'t acknowledge is the very simple fact that every dollar anyone has that they don\'t need is contributing to poverty and hunger simply because poverty and hunger still exist in America. Once the rich people band together to truly end famine and poverty I\'ll be happy to let them do what they want with their money. But as long as they allow people to starve so they can have a nice car I say their cash should be up for grabs. By saying we should end welfare altogether you are essentially saying you\'re okay letting people die, including children and disabled folks. I\'ve never really said this on the boards but I have a somewhat severe handicap. I can\'t lift anything heavy, i can\'t even really stand up for too long without significant pain. I would starve and die under your suggested system Gilligan.
They don\'t have to spend more...there is no gun to their back making them spend more! They could live very meagerly, and actually pay less if they wanted to. A maximum wage? so once they hit that....you just steal it from them? I can\'t believe how set you people are on stealing other peoples money! every dollar that somone has that they don\'t need contributes to poverty?! You don\'t need a computer! ...you don\'t need weed! ... I really do believe that private charity will take the place of welfare, and that this system will be harder to abuse, and be a lot better for the people who really need it.
i think they should banned income taxes, veto it or sumthin\', shit both kerry and bush could suck my dick,lol i dont care........shit, but yeah u should be able to get what u earn EVERYTHING , EVERY PENNY!!!
krazi, you are wrong on this on bro. do you know what privtae charaties are? Also, just because you have a back problem doesnt mean you cant have a job. I mean, you couldnt do manual labor, work in a warehouse, but you could easliy have a desk job, you could work from home. You could learn a programing language, you could learn html, you could be a secutary, there are many things you could do. You would only starve and die if you didnt explore these options, and that would be noone fault but you own. IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENTS RESPONSIBILITY TO SUPPORT ANYONE! you have a point with the no income tax thing as well, a national sales tax, done the correct way, could work. But, that would also mean the poor, the illegals, the people making money from the black market would also be taxed. Which i love, but i know the left hates. They are against personal responsiblity and fro big govt. boooo big govt.
EDIT (added here cos i didnt want to spoil my pretty ending) - forgot to mention that i read somewhere that the it costs the US gov more to collect the revenues from income tax than it collects from them. real smart ecconomics there. but where the money really comes from is a whole other debate. disclaimer- i have no idea of the validity of this claim, just thought it was an amusing rumour everyone would like. way to go beaurocracy! lol effectively, as things are, the government actually GIVES MONEY TO THE RICH. perhaps instead of looking at how much money is given to taxes, we should perhaps be looking at how much people have to live on, then apply the taxes after that. if you truely believe that Gilligan, then you must be mightily pissed off at how the Government currently supports the rich. from my point of view, a flat tax, asuming we only look at percentages rather than income tallied against cost of living, would also support the rich. I\'m well out there on the left and i like the idea of a sales tax, for non essentials like food and childrens clothing, asuming such a tax is balanced against another tax that corrects the widening poverty gap. under right wing ideologys the Rich get richer and the poor get relatively poorer. why? because the old addage \"It takes money to make money\" is true, as is known all over the political map. so if you\'re poor and all your resources and money HAS to go to ensuring survival, theres no room for growth, and so, slip further into poverty. its dead simple. short term gains are just that... short term only. its largely where ressessions and depressions come from (call it the hangover from a short burst of accelerated ecconomic boost). Imagine if all those poor people who currently spend all their money on only survival could instead have that little bit left over to INVEST, and thus support further growth and stability for the long term... wow what a new and progressive idea that is. NOT. its just a message that gets burried by the authorities. yep, working two jobs to struggle to break even is real lazy. where do these assholes get off!? yep. fact. because we all know all pay is fair, and calculated entirely on ones skill level and how hard they work. gimme a fuckin break man! you really are the most quotable regular poster here on grasscity gill.. i think i\'m gonna have to make a habit of visiting more often just for the joy of quoting you. all of what i\'ve said above is way soft considering my true views. consider it all a \"best fit\" for a world too fearful of change to consider the radical. idealy, we would completely do away with currency all together, and move for a more inteligent method of using/sharing/spreading reasources and take the brakes of areas of development currently held back by \"we can\'t afford that\". I\'m thinking big projects like a Particle Accelerator so big it sits just outside Pluto\'s Orbit! Planet building, Terraforming, massive expansion of SETI, etc etc. The very existance of money and the current methods of ecconomics completely hold back some developments simply because it cannot be concieved of a way of how to make profit from it. for example, the clamp down of free information sharing over the internet, one treatment for life dental and medical practices that cost almost nothing being sidelined to favour repeated expensive invasive procedures, development of replicator technology. I come from Scotland, which has a big long list of famous inventors, and a bigger list of innovations and inventions that have changed the world. Many of these tinkerers only provided their greatest achievements after much of their lifetime being spent either battling ecconomic preasures for survival, or simply being a \"thinker\" for much of their lives. I simply propose that we consider what the former of the two might have achieved had they been allowed a leg up earlier on (though of course there\'s always the saying \"necessity is the mother of all invention\" that could be interpreted to counter that), and to applaud what the latter achieved and consider that they might not have, had they had to endure what the former had. then of course there are those (John Loggie baird for example) who\'s lives were littered with great innovation after another... and why? because they were permitted (priveledged even) enough early on enough to allow it. just think how many other John Loggie-Baird\'s have come up with a thousand genious ideas that could benifit society, but we\'ll never learn of them because they are stuck working 76 hours a week in low paid jobs or similar. hey, its just an idea. we don\'t have to follow it, but it is nice to at least check out and consider the possability that perhaps there could be a better way. so many more things i could quote in this thread (no, not all from gilligan), but i think i\'ll leave it on that note in the hope that i might have planted a few seeds here and there.
\"yep, working two jobs to struggle to break even is real lazy\" hmm. show me how many of these people on social programs work 2 jobs, compared to the ones who do not. i think this is an extreme case.... Also, education, learning a trade, could get you higher pay. How education does this person have working 2 jobs to break even? i work full time and go to skool, so i have no sympythy for anyone working. It all comes down to, are you willing to further your skill to achieve higher pay. if you are content working 2 low paying jobs, the answer is no. \"as things are, the government actually GIVES MONEY TO THE RICH.\" im assuming you are talking about these tax loopholes? I am tired of explaing this, the top 20% of wage earners also pay 80% of the taxes. 200k a yr is about the top 20 %, put sure, lets tax them more. They carry this country, this economy on their back. they create all the jobs. \"I\'m well out there on the left\" i can tell ive had the rest of this convo before. it is just running in circles.