Syrian Rue (Peganum Harmala Seeds) thread

I thought that I'd share my knowledge of utilization of Syrian Rue (Peganum Harmala Seeds) with you all, becuase I feel that its a good thing to know, and it will help you with your future experiments with various drugs and psycadelics. And yes--this is going to be LONG. lol!



First of all a little bit of information about Peganum Harmala Seeds themselfs:
Peganum harmala is a perennial shrub with fleshy spikey-looking leaves, growing up to 1 meter tall. Its small, brown seeds contains harmine and other harmala alkaloids. It is one of the plants speculated to be the Soma or Haoma of ancient Persia.

Syrian Rue is a MAOI and a Psychedelic.



Some of the main uses (will go into more detail on these) of Syrian Rue are:

For a natural anti depressent (like 5-hpt, or St. Johns Wort).
or
To help anxiety that comes with other psyocative drugs
or
To be taken by themselfs inorder to "trip" e.t.c.



Syrian Rue is Legal in all forms in the US as of currently.

Syrian Rue is sollubule in water for basic extraction purposes. To obtain a total freebase, and thus a white powder/crystal is a bit more complicated, here is the link to that operation/procedure:
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal14.shtml
SYNTHESIS : To solution of 0.5 g harmaline hydrochloride dihydrate in 8 mL ethanol containing 8 mL concentrated HCl there is added a solution of 0.25 mL concentrated HNO3 in 7 mL ethanol. This was heated on the steam bath until an exothermic reaction set in, with considerable bubbling. Heating was continued for 0.5 min, and then the reaction mixture was cooled, producing a crop of fine crystals, which were removed by filtration and washed lightly with ethanol. With air drying, there was thus obtained 0.31 g (67%) harmine hydrochloride monohydrate which was dissolved in 3.1 mL H2O and neutralized with a few drops of concentrated NH4OH. There separated a fine, pale cream solid that was removed by filtration and air dried, to give 0.22 g (89%) harmine base as an off-white powder. MS (in m/z): parent ion 212 (100%); 169 (67%); 197 (24%), IR (in cm-1): 819, 951, 1037, 1110, 1138, 1165. Harmine hydrochloride hydrate, IR (in cm-1): 737, 800, 821, 1021, 1076, 1110,

The three psycoative chemicals present in syrian rue are:
* Harmine
* Harmaline
* Tetrahydroharmine





Ok now onto the stuff you should know about:
Syrian Rue and mushrooms:
Syrian Rue will greatly enhance your experiance on mushrooms, or any other psycedlic drug.
Take about 1 gram of Syrian Rue seeds p/ 1 gram of mushrooms 15 min prior to taking the mushrooms with some orange juice. Note that this is not a exact measurement of how much syrian rue should be taken. So if you take say--6 grams of mushrooms, make sure to take like 5 grams of syrian rue.

Syrian Rue is entheogenic in itself and adds to a typical fungi experience in several possible ways:

# More lethargic (it encourages laying back and paying attention to the visions)
# More 'Other' (a voice that helps to interpret the visions is sometimes observed)
# More intense (see below)
# The experience tends to comes on in waves, with a calmer time in between which can facillitate integration of the experience.


This can also be applied to LSD as well (of course minus the ratio-since lsd is of course stronger then mushrooms)


Basically syrian rue calms a person down, reduces anxiety, and promotes a better AND stronger trip when used with any psycoative substance--even marj. j.





There are severel consderations/dangers however.
First of all Syrian Rue is a MAOI inhibiter--i.e. its basically a anti-depressent. Don't take syrian rue if you are on a maoi inhibiter.
Be careful when taking syrian rue and uppers--i.e. xtc e.t.c.
Although I do not think that xtc and syrian rue will be very harmful, esspecially if you are not on any other maoi inhibitors (which you should not be on when you take xtc in the first place).

BUT yes--syrian rue CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS WHEN USED WITH MDMA.
Why? Becuase syrian rue basically bumps up the high of any drug.
It REALLY bumps up the highe with xtc/mdma. If you choose to take mdma, you MUST take a very very very small amount of syrian rue.
Here is a experiance from www.erowid.com:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=1814

The reason he tripped out, and had a bad experiance is obviously becuase he took 3 grams of syrian rue for HALF a tab of xtc. Obviously way to much syrian rue for the amount of xtc he was taking.
If you take 1 xtc pill, I highly suggest that you take 1/2 gram of syrian rue AFTER you have taken, and gotten comfortable with the mdma/xtc
Monitor yourself carefully.

After severel hours go by, and the high from the xtc has started to go down/has dimminished, if you want you may take the syrian rue--like another 1/2 gram to 1 gram to bump the high back up agian.




How do I recomend intake of syrian rue?
Well I recomend it differen't ways for differen't drugs.

Mdma (xtc):
I recomend that you take take your pill of xtc, wait for the feelings to come on and get comfortable e.t.c, and then take 1/2gram of syrian rue. The syrian rue will make the high much higher--so be careful please. 1/2 gram might not seem like much--but if you read that experiance link I gave you on erowid.com thay guy took 3 grams, and had a very bad experiance.
You can take 1/2gram-1gram of syrian rue after you have taken your xtc and hit your peak, and coming down and almost done with your high.
This will obviously bump the high back up massivly--so be careful.

Shrooms/LSD:
Defintly take the syrian rue about 15-20 min before injestion of either lsd or shrooms. With shrooms make sure to take about 1 gram of syrian rue p/ 1 gram of mushrooms. But when you get up to say-6 grams of mushrooms, don't do the same 1:1 ratio. Instead have it like 6 grams of mushrooms, and 4-5 grams of syrian rue.
With lsd take about 1-2 grams of syrian rue.

WIth anything else:
Its safe to say about 1 gram of syrian rue always does the trick (about a teaspoon).




Be careful with uppers and syrian rue. Don't take syrian rue with any other maoi inhibitor (anti-depressents e.t.c.)





I hope I haven't scared you guys away.
Syrian rue by itself isn't that strong at all unless you do a extraction method.
Syrian rue is Very synergentic with every psycoative drug out there--and this is why syrian rue bumps the high up massivly with many other substances. Be careful.




So if you are interested in just taking syrian rue by itself as a high here are some extraction methods--none of which will be a total freebase. But will produce a good product:


Lemon Juice extraction:
Lemon Juice Method
The most common method for extracting harmala from Syrian Rue seeds is a simple boiling extraction.
1.) The hard seeds are preferably crushed either using a coffee grinder or smashing them in a plastic bag with a hammer and then boiled in a small amount of water with a little lemon juice added to acidify the water.

2.) After boiling for 30 minutes, the seed material is strained off and then filtered and the resulting yellowish liquid is the end product.

A second and/or third extraction is usually performed on the same seed material in order to get more of the active compounds. The second extraction is often as darkly colored as the first and the third will still have the characteristic yellowish color.

3.) The liquid is often further boiled down to a smaller volume or evaporated off to form a powder.



Acetic Acid Method:
The second most common method is using acetic acid (white vinegar). This method requires more work, but when done properly results in a purer material.

1.) The acetic acid methods involve grinding the seeds and either covering with about 3 times their volume of water + some vinegar and letting it sit for several days or boiling it, straining, and boiling again.

2.) The seeds are discarded and the liquid strained several times to remove as much silt as possible. The liquids are combined and then heated and salt is added and dissolved.

3.) The liquid is then cooled (cold refrigerator or monitored in a freezer) and the harmala precipitates out as flakes, which are then filtered out.

One pitfall with this method is that if too much salt is added, it can also precipitate out as the water cools and extractors end up with a mix of harmala and NaCl.



There are many more extractions AND information that I HIGHLY suggest you read before you get involved with syrian rue (or any other drug for that matter) here:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/syrian_rue/syrian_rue.shtml


The extraction methods I gave you are common extraction methods. Alternativly you can drink a tea--just use the syrian rue in place of a tea bag. This extraction should work becuase syrian rues chemicals can be extracted in water.




Hope this information helps some of you with future trips and spawns your interest in various other plants/herbs out there.



A good reliable source that has excellent quality products is www.iamshaman.com



Be safe
Have fun
Understand your substance




pz

 

um...
www.iamshaman.com


If your asking where you would find it without going online to purchase it?
Usually a head shop.

Defintly purchase some syrian rue seeds.
They are great for any high on basically any drug. They always come in handy, and they last for a while to.

 

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ya I'd have this sticked if I could. But the mods don't wanna sticky like any threads. lol!
I made a thread all about salvia to--becuase lots of people ask questions and shit about it. But it was never made into a sticky. lol!



pz

 

ah! Sorry bout that.
Well lets see--well first off I need to know how much do you weigh? And do you have prior experiance with psycoative substances/psycadelics?
Then I can esstablish a good amount for you to start out with

pz

 

mmm...well still need some questions answered from ya lol

do you plan on taking JUST the syrian rue seeds and get high off of them soley? Or are you combining it with somthing else?
And if you are combining the syrian rue with something else--what is the other drug/substance?

and Jammer--the answer to your question is probally safely 1 gram to increase a weed high.
However--you have to smoke a good amount of pot in the first place. Because 1 gram of syrian rue won't really do anything to you.