Subcool's Super Soil

Discussion in 'Growing Organic Marijuana' started by MetalHead19, Jan 19, 2012.


  1. If you're living in an apartment, you'd have to make the teas in your grow room with a carbon filter. If you have a weak gag reflex........well, you might want to buy some of the powdered plant material online. The smell from these teas are not for the faint of heart...or nose lol.

    Also, the nettle tea is equally as effective as the comfrey. We try to gather the plant biomass that's available to us and when it's available to us. I have comfrey, nettles, horsetail fern and yarrow that is available to me in a 15 mile radius of my home, so it's a cornucopia of dynamic accumulators for me.

    c.f. = cu/ft

    Welcome to GC,

    chunk
     
  2. So, theoretically I could just use the nettle tea and be ok? Because I dont want it to look like I have a factory going on in here and my wife(and possibly others in other apts) isnt going to like the rotten festering smell in my apartment haha ( I have nowhere to vent a charcoal filter) Also how long does the concoction last?
     
  3. Where do you vent the smell from your MJ garden?
     


  4. Metalhead,

    LD used a nettle tea for an entire grow last summer with great results. A nettle tea used with your PROPERLY prepared soil mix would give you a complete nutrient profile and some of the most aromatic and tasty cannabis that you've ever had.

    For some reason, the sulfur in these teas is in the right form and proportion and it really enhances the taste/smell. As for the smell of the plant tea (FPE), you may want to put it in the bathroom next to the toilet. Then at least the smell could be explained:D

    chunk
     
  5. Its a single plant. I used the idea from a girl from one of my other threads. She suggested to get a small bucket fill it less than a quarter with laundry detergent and put a small fan on it and the whole place will smell like fresh laundry. I was reluctant at first because of the chemicals in it and the plant and I would be breathing it, but I'm pretty sure that only water evaporates and all the other stuff would stay in the bucket. I know it sounds silly but owell.
     
  6. You told me I was full of shit and you're trying to grow ONE plant. hahaha.

    Alfalfa tea is great, pleasant smell, nice. Like a real tea. Not a lot of negative smell on a lightly bubbled tea that's only bubbled for an overnight or so.
    You can also put a cup of earth worm castings in a 2.5 gallon bucket, with a small aqaurium pump to bubble it (not really airating, just keeping the water moving), and put a small amount of what ever cut up iteam you have on hand...and 24 hours later you use the 'tea'. Its a microbial tea, but it's the best way to get the stuff usuable really rapidly. The alfalfa, dandelion, horsetail ferns and stinging nettles also have a lot of micronutrients, and some usable substances that make them better than most.

    Here's the chart I use to figure out what to drop in the bucket beside the ones I listed:

    Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
    Apple Fruit: 0.05/0.02/0.1
    Apple Leaves: 1.0/0.15/0.4
    Apple Pomace: 0.2/0.02/0.15
    Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
    Banana Residues (ash): 1.75/0.75/0.5
    Barley (grain): 0/0/0.5
    Barley (straw): 0/0/1.0
    Basalt Rock: 0/0/1.5
    Bat Guano: 5.0-8.0/4.0-5.0/1.0
    Beans, garden(seed and hull): 0.25/0.08/03
    Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
    Blood meal: 15.0/0/0
    Bone Black: 1.5/0/0
    Bonemeal (raw): 3.3-4.1/21.0/0.2
    Bonemeal (steamed): 1.6-2.5/21.0/0.2
    Brewery Wastes (wet): 1.0/0.5/0.05
    Buckwheat straw: 0/0/2.0
    Cantaloupe Rinds (ash): 0/9.77/12.0
    Castor pomace: 4.0-6.6/1.0-2.0/1.0-2.0
    Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
    Cattail Seed: 0.98/0.25/0.1
    Cattle Manure (fresh): 0.29/0.25/0.1
    Cherry Leaves: 0.6/0/0.7
    Chicken Manure (fresh): 1.6/1.0-1.5/0.6-1.0
    Clover: 2/0/0/0 (also contains calcium)
    Cocoa Shell Dust: 1.0/1.5/1.7
    Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
    Corn (grain): 1.65/0.65/0.4
    Corn (green forage): 0.4/0.13/0.33
    Corn cobs: 0/0/2.0
    Corn Silage: 0.42/0/0
    Cornstalks: 0.75/0/0.8
    Cottonseed hulls (ash): 0/8.7/23.9
    Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
    Cotton Wastes (factory): 1.32/0.45/0.36
    Cowpea Hay: 3.0/0/2.3
    Cowpeas (green forage): 0.45/0.12/0.45
    Cowpeas (seed): 3.1/1.0/1.2
    Crabgrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
    Crabs (dried, ground): 10.0/0/0
    Crabs (fresh): 5.0/3.6/0.2
    Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2
    Dried Blood: 10.0-14.0/1.0-5.0/0
    Duck Manure (fresh): 1.12/1.44/0.6
    Eggs: 2.25/0.4/0.15
    Eggshells: 1.19/0.38/0.14
    Feathers: 15.3/0/0
    Felt Wastes: 14.0/0/1.0
    Field Beans (seed): 4.0/1.2/1.3
    Feild Beans (shells): 1.7/0.3/1.3
    Fish (dried, ground): 8.0/7.0/0
    Fish Scraps (fresh): 6.5/3.75/0
    Gluten Meal: 6.4/0/0
    Granite Dust: 0/0/3.0-5.5
    Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6
    Grape Leaves: 0.45/0.1/0.4
    Grape Pomace: 1.0/0.07/0.3
    Grass (imature): 1.0/0/1.2
    Greensand: 0/1.5/7.0
    Hair: 14/0/0/0
    Hoof and Horn Meal: 12.5/2.0/0
    Horse Manure (fresh): 0.44/0.35/0.3
    Incinerator Ash: 0.24/5.15/2.33
    Jellyfish (dried): 4.6/0/0
    Kentucky Bluegrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
    Kentucky Bluegrass (hay): 1.2/0.4/2.0
    Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0
    Lemon Culls: 0.15/0.06/0.26
    Lemon Skins (ash): 06.33/1.0
    Lobster Refuse: 4.5/3.5/0
    Milk: 0.5/0.3/0.18
    Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
    Molasses Residue
    (From alcohol manufacture): 0.7/0/5.32
    Molasses Waste
    (From Sugar refining): 0/0/3.0-4.0
    Mud (fresh water): 1.37/0.26/0.22
    Mud (harbour): 0.99/0.77/0.05
    Mud (salt): 0.4.0/0
    Mussels: 1.0/0.12/0.13
    Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
    Oak Leaves: 0.8/0.35/0.2
    Oats (grain): 2.0/0.8/0.6
    Oats (green fodder): 0.49/0/0
    Oat straw: 0/0/1.5
    Olive Pomace: 1.15/0.78/1.3
    Orange Culls: 0.2/0.13/0.21
    Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0
    Oyster Shells: 0.36/0/0
    Peach Leaves: 0.9/0.15/0.6
    Pea forage: 1.5-2.5/0/1.4
    Peanuts (seed/kernals): 3.6/0.7/0.45
    Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5
    Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0
    Pea (vines): 0.25/0/0.7
    Pear Leaves: 0.7/0/0.4
    Pigeon manure (fresh): 4.19/2.24/1.0
    Pigweed (rough): 0.6/0.1/0
    Pine Needles: 0.5/0.12/0.03
    Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
    Potaote Tubers: 0.35/0.15/2.5
    Potatoe Vines (dried): 0.6/0.16/1.6
    Prune Refuse: 0.18/0.07/0.31
    Pumpkins (fresh): 0.16/0.07/0.26
    Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
    Rabbit Manure: 2.4/1.4/0.6
    Ragweed: 0.76/0.26/0
    Rapeseed meal: 0/1.0=2.0/1.0=3.0
    Raspberry leaves: 1.45/0/0.6
    Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
    Redrop Hay: 1.2/0.35/1.0
    Rock and Mussel Deposits
    From Ocean: 0.22/0.09/1.78
    Roses (flowers): 0.3/0.1/0.4
    Rye Straw: 0/0/1.0
    Salt March Hay: 1.1/0.25/0.75
    Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
    Seaweed (dried): 1.1-1.5/0.75/4.9 (Seaweed is loaded with micronutrients including: Boron, Iodine, Magnesium and so on.)
    Seaweed (fresh): 0.2-0.4/0/0
    Sheep and Goat Manure (fresh): 0.55/0.6/0.3
    Shoddy and Felt: 8.0/0/0
    Shrimp Heads (dried): 7.8/4.2/0
    Shrimp Wastes: 2.9/10.0/0
    Siftings From Oyster Shell Mounds: 0.36/10.38/0.09
    Silk Mill Wastes: 8.0/1.14/1.0
    Silkworm Cocoons:10.0/1.82/1.08
    Sludge: 2.0/1.9/0.3
    Sludge (activated): 5.0/2.5-4.0/0.6
    Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96
    Sorghum Straw:0/0/1.0
    Soybean Hay: 1.5-3.0/0/1.2-2.3
    Starfish: 1.8/0.2/0.25
    String Beans (strings and stems, ash): 0/4.99/18.0
    Sugar Wastes (raw): 2.0/8.0/0
    Sweet Potatoes: 0.25/0.1/0.5
    Swine Manure (fresh): 0.6/0.45/0.5
    Tanbark Ash: 0/0.34/3.8
    Tanbark Ash (spent): 0/1.75/2.0
    Tankage: 3.0-11.0/2.0-5.0/0
    Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
    Timothy Hay: 1.2/0.55/1.4
    Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
    Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0
    Tomatoe Fruit: 0.2/0.07/0.35
    Tomatoe Leaves: 0.35/0.1/0.4
    Tomatoe Stalks: 0.35/0.1/0.5
    Tung Oil Pumace: 6.1/0/0
    Vetch Hay: 2.8/0/2.3
    Waste Silt: 9.5/0/0
    Wheat Bran: 2.4/2.9/1.6
    Wheat (grain): 2.0/0.85/0.5
    Wheat Straw: 0.5/0.15/0.8
    White Clover (Green): 0.5/0.2/0.3
    Winter Rye Hay: 0/0/1.0
    Wood Ash: 0/1.0-2.0/6.0-10.0
    Wool Wastes: 3.5-6.0/2.0-4.0/1.0-3.5 Plant - Based
    Alfalfa meal 3-0.5-3 Ca 8 Mg0.3 S 0.1
    Corn gluten 9-0-0 ca 0 Mg 0 s 0
    Cottenseed meal 7-2.5-1.5-1.5 ca 0.5 mg 1 s 0.2
    Soybean meal 7-1.2-1.5-0.4 Ca 0.4 mg 0.3 s 0.2
    Seaweed 0.7-0.8-5 Ca 0.2 Mg 0.1 S 0
    Wood Ash 0-2-6 Ca 20 Mg 1 S 0
    Kelp Meal 1-0-2
    potash 0-0-30

    Animal Based
    Blood meal 15-3-0 Ca 0.3 Mg 0 S 0 some are 12-0-0
    Bonemeal 3.5-22-0 Ca 22 MG 0.6 S 0.2
    Feathermeal 15-0-0 Ca 0 MG 0 S 0
    Fish Products 10-6-0 Ca 6 Mg 0.2 S 0.2
    Bonechar 0-16-0
    Alask fish fert 5-1-1
    Neptunes harvest 2-3-1

    Mined Minerals
    Granite dust 0-0-4 Ca 0 MG 0 S 0
    Greensand 0-1-8 Ca 0.5 Mg 3 S 0.1
    Gypsum 0-0-0.5 Ca 22 Mg 0.4 S 17
    Langbeinite 0-0-22 Ca 0 Mg 18 S 27
    Dolomitic Lime 0-0-0 Ca 25 MG 9 S 0.3
    Calcitic Lime 0-0-0.3 Ca 32 MG 3 S 0.1
    Rock Phosphate 0-25-0 Ca 0 Mg 0 S 10
    Zeolite 0-0-3.2 Ca 2.5 Ca 2.5 S 0
    Azomite 70 trace minerals from A-Z

    Recycled Materials
    Coffee grounds 2-.3-.3 Ca .1 Mg .1 S 0
    Grass clipings 4-1-3 Ca 8 Mg 3 S .5
    Leaves .8-.4-.2 Ca 0 Mg 0 S 0
    Sawdust .2-0-.2 CA 0 Mg 0 S 0
    Compost 1-0.5-1 Ca 0.3 MG 0.2 S 0.3

    Manures
    Chicken 2-1.5-.5 Ca 2 Mg .2 S .1
    Cow .5-.2-.5 Ca .2 Mg .1 S .1
    Horse .6-.2-.5 Ca .5 Mg .1 S.1
    Sheep 1-.3-1 Ca 1 Mg .1 S .05
    Jamaican bat guano 1-10-0.2
    Mexican Bat Guano 10-2-1
    Peruvian seabird guano 10-10-2
    Indonesion Bat guano .5-12-2
    Fossilized sea bird guano 1-10-1
     
  7. Holy Mother! And when did I say you were full of shit? I dont believe I ever said such a thing
     
  8. But again......How long with these teas last? Do you keep them in the bucket aerating the whole time or... And again thank you guys so much for all this knowledge! Much respect to you.
     
  9. Now please dont scorn me for this but I happen to have this bottle next to me called "Earth Juice" "A blend of good things from the land and sea" All natural. Ingredients: Oat bran, sea kelp, bat guano, steamed bone meal, natural potash, blood meal and feather meal. Is this something I could use?
     
  10. MetalHead

    For your situation, I would highly recommend that you use this product with a decent potting soil.

    Don't overcomplicate things on your first few grows - too many variables involved regardless of what 'nute program' you go with - chemical, transitional or organic.

    Earth Juice is a decent organic-type product that will serve you well for several months.

    LD
     
  11. Metalhead,

    I've never used Earth JUice, but a few of our experienced growers have and as far as a useful additive to your grow, I think it has some good attributes. Hopefully MIW will read this as he has used it and commented favorably on it before.

    BTW.......we're cleaning up the scorn mongers here. This forum is a place for learning and sharing. You're a new member and we want you to feel completely comfortable asking a question if you're unclear or don't know something. In a year or so, we want you to be helping our new members with the education you'll receive from GC.

    Peace,

    chunk
     
  12. Jumps for joy! Is Faffard a good soil? I just purchased it for my seedlings, its a seedling mix but I would get another mix of course.
     

  13. Yes it is...........
     
  14. Man you guys are awesome!
     
  15. Earth juice is one of the least harmful. I've used it.

    As for the teas, I bubble them, use them up immediately, toss the rest into my dirt piles, but you'd just throw it into the toilet. It's really an easy way to feed plants, without the harmful additives.

    Might have been TLO, another new visitor. I hate being called full of shit, but with my personality I rarely remember who called me it...

    With one plant, i'd stock a soil, make alfalfa tea. It's really awesome stuff, you can buy a bags of horse pellets from almost anywhere that has pet supplies. Bubble a handful, feed the plant. You can make a nice soil mix, fill a rubbermade tote with it, and use it by the bucketful. Mininal mess once it's all in the tub. You can stock a small amount of soil from an organic dry fert mix, like eposoma, dr earth, down to earth, they all have boxes of natural mix additives you can mix into a bag of peat-perlite and find a bag of earth worm castings to add, water it and you should be good after a month of letting it 'mature'.
     


  16. Yes, earth juice works fairly well. I used it for maybe two years and had good luck with it for the most part. It is fermented nutrients. And it is easy to duplicate it. Most all the ingredients are easy to source, and ferments are easy to do. The ingredients you listed are in espoma tone ferts too, add oat meal and kelp, bubble it and you have a top notch nutrient tea, or ferment it and you got an earth juice type homemade liquid fertilizer.

    Age old organics is another fairly good liquid fertilizer line that many folks started growing organically with. Now days I pretty much stick to dry ferts and homemade teas, of both nutrient and compost types.


    By now you know this, but get your compost right and the type or amount of fertilizers won't matter all that much. Look at LD's mix, he adds a handull of nutrients and feeds homemade teas and such, but his compost is what makes it all work......MIW
     

  17. "You told me I was full of shit and you're trying to grow ONE plant. hahaha."


    Hey, Skunk lady, It definetly wasn't this fella that was talkin' shit - was another jerkoff that had an
    attitude.

    Just didn't want you thinking it was Metalhead.

    Jerry.
     
  18. :D I've thought about adding a little clay to my mixes before. When you dig down to the clay bed here, you can find white(kaolin), purple, and other deep reddish types imbedded in the typical red clay that is the most prevalent.
     
  19. We have a stream on our proerty that we mine either light gray or pure white "pottery grade" clay from. The kids and I have a small cheapo pottery wheel that we play with occassionally and make some cool dishes,bowls, mugs, etc. From this clay.

    Thoughts on using this type of clay? I definetly wouldn't wanna overdo it with this clay - talk about "dense"!

    Jerry.
     
  20. Jerry, I've grown a few times in a place that was the "perfect" scenario, all except for the clay content of the soil. During a dry summer it was amazing to say the least. There's a big element of luck since not even the best of meteorologists can accurately predict a dry or wet summer, but luck prevailed and I walked away smiling.
    Some of the clay "rocks" like are common here are found in the coolest colors- basically you could add a little resin and water and make paint they are so dense and fine.
     

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