Stop Online Privacy Act (SOPA)

Discussion in 'Politics' started by iMarihuana, Nov 17, 2011.

  1. #21 Arteezy, Nov 18, 2011
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    ISPs and social media benefit from a partnership with government for the most part. Do you really think the social media giants like facebook & twitter are going to have an issue handing over information to the government if they're promised some sort of special treatment? What about ISPs? Are they going to throw the government under the bus to protect some user logs?

    No, not everyone right now. As computer hardware & software improve, this will become not only a possibility, but, in all likelihood, reality. Don't you think that intelligence agencies have an interest of keeping track of masses of people?

    Since you're a "computer major", I'm sure you saw this story break, but I'm going to post it here for others.

    AP Exclusive: CIA following Twitter, Facebook - Yahoo! News
    The CIA harnesses power of Facebook & Twitter - World & Nation - Guilfordian - Guilford College
    CIA is watching tweets, Facebook - BlogPost - The Washington Post
  2. they wont due it BEFORE the revolution :rolleyes: they'll do it when it starts

    no, any and every aspect of your life, if they so choose.

    here's the thing, they don't give a fuck about your opinion. and im saying the FBI writes their own warrants w/out a judge
    war is killing your own citizens?

    how would we know if they don't present the evidence or need a trial??

    yea but you won't do nothin', till they take what's yours. and they will

    i know.

    i only used it for like 1 line,
    and you still didn't reflect on the big picture. which disappointed me but im glad you responded to the individual aspects
  3. Room 641A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Also arnack has no idea what he's talking about

  4. what it boils down to is big media and corporations wanting to censor what we see and has nothing to do with piracy...
  5. Piracy is a pretty broad term and regardless of whether it's viewed as 'acceptable', it's going to continue.
  6. [quote name='"NasaJoe"']

    Just because Piracy is not theft, does not mean that it's moral or should ever be viewed as acceptable.[/quote]

    arent you RP supporters always saying "you cant legislate morality"?
  7. i never made that assumption. i simply stated it involves corporate-government collaboration instead of 'computing power' which you suggested. do i think corporations will become greedy and sell out information? of course i do. good, so now that's cleared up.
    if they actually did do it, it should be able to be detected on some level of computer science, whether it be a hardware keylogger, ISP backdoor tool, etc. would the government risk to be labeled as someone who'd "spy and record everything you do on your phones and your computer"? i think they realized if they did something like that, it's over for them. most they would do is make an infobase of twitter comments or something silly like that (which you posted below), which other entities and corporations do, mind you...

    look, i wasn't initially defending the government. like i said, if you publish something online, expect anyone to read it. be careful, and safe browsing. USA is one of the largest employers of internet & security specialists.
  8. #29 Arteezy, Nov 18, 2011
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    It involves both.

    It doesn't take a computer scientist to realize that all your traffic is running through your ISP's computers. How hard do you think it is to log that information? How difficult do you think it is to analyze that information?

    ISPs and social media sites are already logging terabytes (if not petabytes) of information.

    Obviously, there are ways you can secure/protect your packets from even your ISP; however, this is not something that your average internet user can do right now.

    I'm aware of this and I practice relatively safe browsing. Your average internet user may not be...
  9. #30 Arnack, Nov 18, 2011
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    are you aware that less than 1% of internet criminals, who cost the government and corporations hundreds of millions of dollars a year, and grows exponentially every year, don't even get prosecuted, let alone convicted? i'd guess they rather be wiretapping a ron paul supporter, right?

    also 614A is old news. be afraid of the NSA... very afraid. let's hope justice is served in courts.

    at least you tried

    good security starts with the end user like you stated. however, all ISP's get now is packet header information, so keylogging, or file viewing would be for now impossible.

    but we get off topic. what i originally debated against the idea that the USA government would start censoring anything it doesn't like. i never was trying to debate against data harvesting, because it happens.
  10. #32 s7exiled, Nov 18, 2011
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    Yeah great, except I just disproved that above. Look at Room 641A, the NSA has a massive room inside of the AT&T SBC communications building.

    Also, the US government is the most corrupt entity in the entire world. They infringe on peoples freedoms by fear mongering, warrant-less wiretapping is just one example (patriot act). They are known and constantly being exposed for their spying and constitutional right infringing actions. The US aided in developing stuxnet to target Iran's nuclear program.

    You have no idea what's going on.

    It's not piracy it's sharing. How are you going to tell people what they can do with their copy. There is no monetary gain involved, so you shouldn't be able to prosecute. Companies claim loss of revenue, but it's impossible to calculate because a lot of people wouldn't otherwise buy the product.

    Like the others said, it's just one additional weapon in the governments arsenal to sensor the internet. Do you know how many websites they could claim fall under their ridiculous copyright infringement criteria? What about youtube? it's full of "copyright infringement".

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  11. I believe intellectual property rights are just as important as physical property right.. Just like I believe the right to clean air and environment is equally essential in a fair society.. I don't know what the "classical" libertarian stance is on intellectual property, or the basic right to clean air and water.. but I'm certainly pretty firm in my beliefs.
  12. The federal government should not be involved obviously..

    But you can't justify the theft of intellectual property (which the artist spent time / energy and everything else necessary which someone would need to apply to earn money) simply because "it's hard to determine loss of revenue figures". That's why we have the court, to figure out the appropriate damages
  13. Are you crazy? Don't distort what I said, it's not theft. You're wrong either way

  14. #36 NasaJoe, Nov 18, 2011
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    It's theft of revenue due to opportunity lost. Unless there was consent for the transfer of intellectual property, there should always be courts ruling in favor of the victim who lost revenue due to piracy.

    There's no difference between someone who risks his time, money, energy, knowledge and body to make art to be sold to the market, than someone who risks the same to start a service business.
  15. #37 Sovereign Psyche, Nov 18, 2011
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    If somebody is selling the property, that is one thing, but if the consumers are sharing it, that is another.

    Let us think through this...

    If people stop paying for movies or music, the artists will stop creating the movies and music. The business will be lost. This will lead to one of two likely scenarios; the people continue not buying music and movies and only true artists remain creating them, taking in only a small revenue of loyal fans or people continue paying for the movies and music in order to get the music and movies that they love. If people really like those movies and music, they will put money into the business.
  16. #38 NasaJoe, Nov 18, 2011
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    I would not want to live in a society that did not respect intellectual property rights. I don't understand why would you want to squander business opportunity, and diminish the quality of everything that is art, or intellectual property when the solution is so clear and evident.
  17. That's bullshit, keep acting like the artists are losing so much money due to copyright infringement. I'm sure Justin Beiber is still pretty fucking rich even though I'm assuming millions have obtained an unpaid for copy of his music. I understand about the smaller artists, and most people inherently understand that buying the album will support the artist (which I do). Real artists like Immortal Technique release their album for free and says in the first track 'share this with every motherfucker you know'.

    I'm sure Activision is just scraping rock bottom after selling 500 million $ + on COD: MW3. There is a cracked multiplayer version of mw2 on alternet and millions of people probably downloaded mw3. I'm sure they'll do fine.

    By your fucked up morals those companies should go and basically hunt and shit on average people. Some guy just living paycheck to paycheck getting slammed with a fucking copyright lawsuit.

    They always have the option to completely overhaul their protection, it's not my fault they don't protect their intellectual property. Maybe mp3 isn't the way to go, and they should think about changing that if they're so adamant about saving money. Developers should think about different methods to protect their games/software etc.
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  18. Did youtube shut down early or something? Every video doesn't even load and it just shows a black screen:eek:

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