Stop lying to yourselves.

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by ete23, Nov 22, 2011.

  1. #1 ete23, Nov 22, 2011
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    Evolution is observable. You have to remember that we can't say for sure how old this existence were apart of is. We know time exists and we know that it's responsible for everything changing. Time travel is ridiculous so we will never know how all this was created. Remember that its important to go by what is observable. what you can see, hear, feel etc. People that say they believe, felt God or 'spoke' with, whatever, realize that this is most likely just biological reactions happening in your body/mind.

    That whole of existence is connected. Everything that is here is meant to be here. The way everything works together changing/creating is the deepest 'art form' there is. We should focus on our future. The earth, the populations of species, the environment and the love we should inherently give for our lives and existence as a whole. our focus should not be getting into the 'afterlife' of some God from books or other peoples ideas. Be peaceful. Know that you will never know what is the 'truth'. You will never know if there is a God or Gods responsible for this.

    Its a true waste of time to debate or argue over the existence of God, prophets of God because, it can't be proven. Realize that the likelihood of a universal truth of how existence is possible or if God will come back and 'save' us will not happen in our lifetimes. Human Life really is brief compared to the vastness of existence and time. Evolution is totally understandable and makes sense. Its such a waste that people argue about whether of not its possible. We are intelligent. We can make more changes in our lifetimes that could really help human evolution, biologically and spiritually for our future generations.

    Evolution is of the mind. We can't take back what we have done as a species to ourselves and the earth but, we could make great changes to ensure a longer survival of our existence as humans. Realize that you can't predict everything the earth will do, or what the universe will commit. We are only a very small part of the picture. Know God is an idea. Not a observable thing or feeling or reaction. This idea of God stems off to many religions.

    Billions of people share a bond from religions. What we should be doing is not sharing a bond among God believers but a bond among humans. You have been had. Religions are to control you. Know the world is yours but were in this together. As humans our minds are basically put into motion by what is happening around us. We feed off each other, 'karma' is just an idea. This is why it is important to remember history. To remember what was done to get us to this point.

    You control this, not a 'God'. You have a voice, you can change what you want. Larger changes take more time, effort, commitment and in a sense, larger changes take a larger amount of people to sign on. Whether you think you are being controlled or not, know that it really does limit your view of observable existence. At this point we shouldn't rely on books from thousands of years ago.

    We are not 'perfect' we have inherited and continue to pass on every second bad ideas that do nothing for us. We are not trapped by elites or bankers or government or religions. We are trapped by ourselves. Our greed for one thing. Why all the greedy? Can you take anything with you? no you can't. Dead is dead. The mind and body work on an observable finite scale. Your mind is a part of your body and we know that if the body doesn't work the mind won't either so probably no 'afterlife'. I just laugh when people discuss this afterlife or immaterial reality. Why care about that when you are here. What you do here affects here not the afterlife. Focus on bettering what we observe, measure, feel, see, etc. Not focusing on what we believe because it will get us nowhere. We will never agree on everything, we won't ever be on the same path. But, know that even if our paths are different they all end the same way.

    The common bond all of us share. life and death. Make the most of life because, its all we have. literally. Without our lives, without our mind(s) and bodies being developed to this point we would never experience existence at this 'level'. We have struggled and survived long enough to make our life way more convenient. (technology, internet, medicine, nutrition, etc).

    Stop hoarding the convenience. Clean up your lives. Try and try harder to do the 'right' things. Become unaffected or stop being affected by what doesn't make sense to you. Know what does make sense and go by that. Progress is a process. Heed what is happening because to survive we basically do the same tasks over and over everyday until we expire. Improve on the 'design', improve on the 'creation'. Improve your lives. You can't change the past. But, you can try to undue it, undue the bs, lies, the hate, the discrimination and make the future better.

    You first need to stop lying to yourself. There are no prophets, no awakening, no savior, no enlightenment. There is only consciousness. Base your thinking on reality. Base it on the ideas and actions that make sense to you. World peace starts with inner peace. Be at peace with the fact you will never know for sure all that is going on in the universe. Don't think a 'God' or energy or whatever has your life predetermined. There is no fate. There is only change and progress.

    Sure you could sit back like a monk and meditate all your life and 'rise' your consciousness to a level of peace and understanding with existence. But if you want to 'see' change. If you want to really see with your eyes and hear and feel the love we all can release, then you must become a factor. You must join the conversation, you must speak your mind. Freedom of speech? Does every country even have freedom of speech? Why are we allowing our people to live with fear that if they speak out for whats right, if they speak out for justice and equality and freedom and a chance for themselves but, more importantly a chance for their futures and their children's future they will be jailed or killed or tortured or anything.

    Its not about 'waking up' or 2012 or Jesus coming back or killing the non believers. Its about realizing whats happening right now around you. Realize what got us to this point as a society. Realize the mistakes made. Realize that a few people have inherited great power( like people who can launch nukes and start wars and manipulate markets. People who control the news and will report on what they want you to hear, people who make laws). Stop sitting back while corruption happens. Demand transparency from our leaders. If you really want to call them 'leaders'. Because, at this point with the internet and video and media we can all become leaders. Life advances into its own purpose, the experience of its own existence. \t\t[​IMG]
  2. Beware of Beliefs! It is better to reside in the realm of anxiety and not knowing rather than succumb to the slumber of beliefs. Beliefs are merely thoughts and perceptions of other fallible human beings that sound like Truth but under investigation...turn out to be...not. Live your life from your own Truths...through your own experiences...or even blazingly discard all beliefs and become a vessel for true knowledge. Get comfortable saying...I Don't Know...feel how it feels to not have the answers and even not need them.
  3. #3 DBV, Nov 22, 2011
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    I see what your saying, but you still have to believe knowledge.. beliefs are a mental system of right and wrong (mainly focusing on the right).

    The thing is I think your the one lying to yourself, because in essence, everything you just typed is something you believe to be true. I do agree with a lot of it, but you can't ignore the fact that it's all opinion and everyone is free to experience this existence however they choose. Some people just need it for mental stability.. the irony is it seems to be causing mental instability with the "apocalypse" on the horizon, as if people don't realise that the future (evolution) isn't written yet (and definitely not 2000 years ago.. lol)
  4. #4 ete23, Nov 22, 2011
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    I know everything I said is my beliefs. I had a 'feeling' or thought that someone would point this out. Sure you can't change people beliefs but, you can influence them. You influence the future with your beliefs. Why people pass on useless information that holds no truth at all. Its conditioning, your parent were religious so they teach you. You see others so you believe to.

    Yes I have beliefs, but believe me.. I put zero 'faith' in anything that can't be felt or observed by MY own perception. I have 'faith' water and food will keep me alive and 'faith' I will die. I can only try to get others to relate on some common ground. Its not about being right in your beliefs, its about doing what you believe is right.
  5. Knee jerk reaction from abandoning theism?
  6. This is my same mentality as well.. I have to be honest though, once you realise mythology/dogma as fiction, it still holds a tremendous amount of wisdom. I just choose to learn it all on my own.
  7. But if gods not real then where did we come from? He is real, I've heard him, I've talked to him and I've felt him and it was definitely not some biological bullshit, I don't know why people on here hate God so much, in the end we will know if he's real or not, and don't you think it would be better to believe and find out he's not real than not believe and find out your going to hell?
  8. LOL OMG, my dad has told me the same thing (exactly) a few times. Send me to hell please.
  9. A theistic god is a possibility. In the end though, I choose not to make choices based on fear. I remain an agnostic pantheist. Everyone's free to make their own decisions though.

  10. Stopped reading after that. Time travel to the future is 100% possible, and most experts agree that time travel to the past is not outside the laws of physics.

  11. But if gods real where did he come from. He isn't real you've never heard him or felt him. It was definiy some biological bullshit. I can't hate something that doesn't exist. I don't believe in shit hoping for a specific outcome. I believe in what is logical. And to me we are here by chance. Were nature. Religion has made out god to be human like. If there was a creator we would not even understand it, and it would be nothing similar to humans.

  12. Why not? You probably make decisions based on fear all the time
  13. Wow. I didn't realize time travel to the future was possible. Mind telling me how? I really thought we lived in the 'Continuous Now'. But, I think you mean we 'travel' into the future by living in the Now? I'm confuse. How to travel to the past, build a machine, find a portal?

  14. But if we were here by chance than why haven't any forms of life evolved on other planets and why are we so different from other animals on this planet
  15. #15 DBV, Nov 22, 2011
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    Occassionally yes, but my mind remains too rational to go all in on an unprovable theory. I have nothing against people of faith in a man written book, it's just the way my mind works.. I do have a concept of "higher power", but it doesn't rely on fear of an afterlife. I believe existence is consistently recycled and death is lights out for "vespathug" or "DBV".. as negative as that may seem. Death allows your soul to return to the essence that is reality/existence/the universe, all to repeat the infinite cycle. Energy/matter can't be destroyed, it's just transferred.
  16. Why is ANYTHING here? Why does anything exist? Let just say God/Gods did it. why care about what you can't change? Were here lets help each other. I'm sure we only seen or been to a few planets out of, making up a #, 1 billion?
  17. Disregard this post I'm tryin to get my phone to load the rest of the page
  18. #18 ete23, Nov 22, 2011
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    Consciousness is aware of itself as an experience between itself and the environment in which it exists, it is a ‘self-awareness’ having the capacity for understanding, but.. the understanding of, and organization of, information acquired through awareness, inwardly from or outwardly from the perspective that is conscious, that understanding and organization are elements of intelligence.. intelligence, like awareness, is an inherent attribute of consciousness, and the inherent attributes of awareness and intelligence may be dormant or active without negating the experience that informs consciousness of its existence..

    Maybe everything is somehow conscious and evolving whether it knows it or not?....

    While it may take several readings to grasp the intended message of the previous paragraph, a more simple description will make sense based on the relationships described in the previous paragraph. There is a basic fundamental ‘substance’ of existence, the ‘stuff’.. I understand it as Energy, and it has been named so many other names, but ‘stuff’ works pretty good, too.. so this ‘stuff’ is what ALL stuff is made of, even thoughts, beliefs, ‘mind’, Space/Time, Infinity/Eternity, it’s all made of ‘stuff’.. and ‘stuff’ is Conscious <cue the freaky music>.. just because ‘stuff’ is conscious, doesn’t mean that ALL ‘stuff’ is intelligent, some is some isn’t.. the ‘stuff’ that is intelligent organizes the information revealed by experiences and awareness into understandings that reveal the relationship between any particular perspective of Consciousness and all perspectives of consciousness, individually or collectively.

  19. My faith isn't based on fear either I just know he exists and I think you do too, I think this higher power you believe in is the same God that I believe in
  20. #20 DBV, Nov 22, 2011
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    It's possible.. my god isn't a "being" though. I see it as the singularity we're all connected to within this phenomena. This singularity is what attempts order within chaos.

    I believe hell is a state-of-mind (just like heaven/nirvana), not somewhere you go after death.. and I definitely don't think this singularity is a judgemental force saying you should burn for your sins. I'm not even sure how aware this singularity is honestly.. I think it just has a wild imagination with sort sort of "memory bank". haha.

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