Step out of your core belief system.

Discussion in 'Religion, Beliefs and Spirituality' started by DenialTwist, Nov 16, 2011.

  1. #1 DenialTwist, Nov 16, 2011
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    Everybody has a set of core belief system, sort of the way we look at the world. These have generally been taught to us...religion and education being prime examples. Core belief systems are comfortable, they help identify you and having them rattled is rarely a comfortable experience.

    Religion is one of the main belief systems. You generally are whatever religion was taught to you. In the vast majority of cases you are a Christian because your parents were christian, same applies to muslim, jews and sikhs. You believe your faith based on what was taught/imposed on you. In later life you may go on to be able to justify to yourself why your religion (or lack of) is indeed the religion for all, but ultimately denying this will rattle one of your core belief systems, the ones which help you identify yourself.

    Education is another main core belief. One that is not encouraged to make you think for yourself, rather one that rewards you by repeating what is told to you. You think the history of the world really happened like it was taught to you?

    Learn to step out of your core belief systems, life will then take on a different outlook. The media constantly manipulates them. They play with you to further their own goals.

    Take a minute and identify your core belief systems :)
  2. My core belief system (Which you mention far too often for comfort) is non-existent.
  3. Love, saturation, compassion, and lack of suppression make the foundation my core beliefs.
  4. This is a great thread for those who haven't thought a lot about themselves and their world, as well as those who have but are in denial, both of which are all too common nowadays.
  5. May I disagree with that?
  6. #7 Hello there!, Nov 16, 2011
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    Of course, it is your right. What exactly do you disagree with?

  7. Yeah I do mention that a bit too much :) I'll re-edit for a smoother read!


    aye :smoke:
  8. Just the idea that was expressed. "This thread is for people who have not thought and who have thought yet are in denial."
  9. I said the thread was great for them, not that it was for them; I think that for those people, this is a good thread to open up their 'eyes' a little. That's all I intended :)
  10. Well, I guess that cannot be so bad... Unless of course, it is. :p
  11. Eh, I don't know that this is an entirely fair depiction. The best grades that I ever got in college came from being rebellious and completely restructuring the syllabus and the subject matter to my liking. I know that I was really lucky to have some of the professors I did though. It is possible to educate in such a way that you're not indoctrinating pupils, but rather pushing them to find their own answers. If it's the concept of education as a whole that you're against (which it seems to be,) then I think you're taking things a bit too far.

    Now, if it's the educational system and the way in which education is usually practiced that you're talking about, then that's a different conversation altogether. There are plenty of complaints to be levied there. :smoke:
  12. at the core of my beliefs.....i am quite certain...
    that there is no way for me to be sure.......

    at the center of it all.....i have many thoughts....
    many them what you will.....
    they spin and spin ......
    they build one another up
    and tear one another down....
    these ideas they come from everywhere......

    but there is this one......
    this one idea never plays with the others....
    it sits back and smiles......
    it knows that i cant always tell whats real from whats only in my head.....
    it knows that it is the only idea i can actually trust.....regardless of what i want

  13. Those who probably need this the most are the ones who will not read this.

    How can any sane mind be against the concept of education? To educate is in my eyes a noble act. The education system on the other hand is indoctrinating the masses.

    There are good teachers, those who influence you in a positive manner, but it took you to college to find one, and you had to rebel against the syllabus to obtain the grades. How many countless others do not have the same fortune or drive?

    I'm not just talking about how education is practised, the syllabus could do with a serious upgrading. The US put civilians into the Lusitania and shipped her into a war zone to be sunk, thus having an excuse to enter WW1. In WW2 she incited Pearl Harbour. Not what is taught...if they did maybe people would look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Iran with a different perspective.

    Then that hits the next core belief system because you believe in your government, they are good, they are there to protect you. You don't want your core system rattled so you blame muslims, anything to keep you from rattling that core belief system futher because it identifies you, it is who you are. It strengthens your religious beliefs.

    What keeps people enslaved are core belief systems and the media subtly (and sometimes blatantly) reinforces them. Enlightenment comes from breaking free from them.

  14. You say that like it's a bad thing, but I think that it's the crux of the discussion here. No matter what is on the syllabus, you must actively challenge it. There is no other way. Replacing current syllabi with new ones does little more than replace one brand of indoctrination with another.

    This brings up an important point: for education to work well, the student cannot take a passive role. No matter how hard a teacher tries, if the student isn't also trying then nothing good will come of it. This is the real problem with bringing this type of college-level coursework to high school or middle school students. Most teenagers don't give a damn about anything even remotely intellectual. In order to give them more freedom in the class and have anything at all positive come of it, you have to be a pretty damn smart, creative and driven teacher. Consistently finding people like that for a job that pays pretty shittily, has very little room for promotion and is hard as fuck is just unrealistic.

    See, that's also getting into muddy water there in my opinion. History is always about interpretation. It is about taking a bunch of sources and trying to form a coherent story that links them all together. Any history class that does not have the fact that histories are created by historians at its center is not really teaching history in the way that I think it ought to be taught. Replacing one syllabus for rote memorization with another syllabus for rote memorization with more controversial subject matter still misses the mark, no?
  15. I think most of us in S/P are already past this point of believing what we have been spoon fed...
  16. Humans and earth are so small.

    I just take in the good energy and shit out the bad stuff.

    I'm just on the river floating around..

    People are way to closed minded

    I'm more of an evolution and rebirth type of guy but the way i see it if "God" is real then i think he'd be forgiving enough to let me have crib up there

  17. I agree with the fact that you must actively challenge the syllabus, however, as soon as you do start challenging the syllabus you are quickly labelled as disruptive. Challenging is not encouraged, at least not until college. Schools get put into leagues, funding allocated accordingly. A disruptive student is not welcome. Which brings me back to the point that you only got your good grades once you reached college and challenged the syllabus. Is it a bad thing? Well, from one perspective you could say that you shone through and got the grades when possibly it counted the most. However that was in an environment where challenging isn't immediately shot down. I just wonder what would have happened if you would have been allowed to challenge the syllabus earlier. There are 14 years of education before college. The really formative ones.

    Let's say for argument's sake that what is currently being taught is false, and the next syllabus will be the absolute truth. In that case we would not be swapping one indoctrination for another.

    I guess what I am trying to say is that your views of the world are dependant on what was taught to you. Today's education teaches you that the start of civilisation was roughly 6,000BC. Prior to that nomadic settlements, wondering tribes, no real structure. You take that as the truth. Whose truth? Civilisation is more likely to be 150,000-200,000 years old. They intentionally don't teach that. When you suggest to people that civilisation is this old, it starts rattling their core belief system and a lot of people can not cope with it.

    Yes, students should take an active role, but often the scope of that role is limited. Teachers should lead. Finding those kind of people isn't easy, but hey every summer off? Woah. I have teacher friends and they love it. Yes the money sucks, but unless you are in that elitist 1% chances are money sucks anyway.

    I disagree that most teenagers don't give a damn about intellectual stuff, if that's the case with no new blood we are fucked. Rather I think they are very passionate but have no way to channel that passion. The education system assumes that all 7 year olds are the same, all 8's etc...when clearly we are all different. Different interests, different skills, different strengths and weaknesses. The education system just teaches you to conform and sets out a predetermined set of beliefs. Education is a feeder system into a job, you are rewarded for how well you can repeat the information that was given to you. No wonder teenagers don't give a shit, they realise the future they are stepping into.

    I agree this get's into muddy waters due to the interpretative nature of history. We can interpret Leonardo Da Vinci's paintings and wonder who the man was, or analyse Mozart and wonder what they did at the times. It's all jovial. Some subjects, such as war, affect us all and all the possible evidence should be presented in order for you to make up your own mind. Certain truths are often skimmed or omitted. They needed a reason to enter WW1, baited them with a ship, mourned the loss of civilians, rustled up public sympathy. If I were to play the same trick twice on someone I wouldn't remind them of the previous mug who fell for it. I would teach them whatever I feel necessary to further my goal. Seek your own truths, don't be afraid to question the establishment. After all it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it, especially if that thought is one of your core belief systems.

    Again, it depends what the next syllabus is, I guess our intentions will determine if it is a step forwards towards that absolute truth or if we are just replacing one indoctrination with another. Maybe that is the point and we should stay clear of syllabi altogether, forgo testings and find another method to decide which job you are suitable for.

    You should drop by the "Atheist" threads as well as the "earth is only 6000 years old wtf." De-conditioning yourself is a long process.
  18. When one has a solid belief system based on powerful experiences that alter your perception of reality forever it is not possible to step outside them or alter them. It's like when someone you know has a reaction from too much acid and then that person is never the same. Try to tell someone in the middle of a bad acid trip that what they are seeing is not real.

  19. yes....anytime an individual wants to convince themselves of something is hard to get them to see past that shit .........

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