And..... PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or maybe we don't have to? The other day i went out to water my 17 outdoor fem'd plants and what do you know, EVERY SINGLE ONE is infected with spidermites.. little white dots, little tiny webs.. yes spidermites. So last night i spent more then 4 hours surfing/skimming/sifting through ALOT of stuff on how to kill these RESISTANT MOTHER FUCKERS (yes they are as serious as it gets) and turns out if you really want to rid yourself of this problem, you have to buy the real shit, no fucking around with bug bombs, organic crap, lady bugs, phytoseiulus persimilis (a predator mite that can take up to a year to kill spidermites) neem oil, or soap solutions, they are preventative at best. Forbid, Floramite, or Avid are the real deal. Technically in most cases it seems you need a license just to even buy these things! Luckily for us some guys on ebay sell very small quantitys of this stuff, ($20-30, and the amount is all you really need) So what i would like to hear is first hand experience with any of these 3 big boys Forbid, Floramite, or Avid. What was your method of application? How often, how much, when, ect........ At the moment i am leaning torwards Forbid, it seems to be the latest and greatest with advantages to the others in this battle. Specifically, they are saying the mites have no potential to develop resistances (A huge problem when dealing with the mites) Some quoted info that is selling me on it, sounds fantastic. "Bayer Environmental Science has just announced the registration of a new miticide, based on a proprietary new chemistry with a unique mode of activity. The name of this new miticide is Forbid 4F, and its active ingredient is spiromesifin, a tetronic acid, which blocks fat synthesis so the mites dry out and die. This mode of activity, inhibiting lipid biosynthesis thus causing dessication (i.e., drying-out), is virtually the same as that of soaps and oils. That is, the MOA for Forbid 4F can be considered, for the sake of simplicity, to be MOA 6 as defined in papers elsewhere on this website, and in articles appearing in the Rose Society's newsletter, Basal Breaks. This is great because MOA 6 has little or no potential for the development of resistance â€“ an analogy would be a flamethrower: you may miss some of your targets, but when they return they'll be no less vulnerable to the flame. Another feature of Forbid 4F is that, like Avid, it is translaminar. The active ingredient, spiromesifin, while not systemic (i.e., it does not move through the plant's vascular system like, for example, Merit does), is absorbed by the plant's leaves and will move from the tops of the leaves to the bottoms where the mites feed. This ability to move from the tops to bottoms of leaves significantly reduces the tedium of the spray process â€“ while care should still be taken to cover the entire bush, rigorous spraying of the undersides of leaves should not be required. Moreover, according to Bayer, Forbid 4F controls mites at all life stages and offers an excellent residual of four to eight weeks for mites. The label for Forbid 4F indicates its toxicity rating is CAUTION (be aware that the Avid label carries a WARNING designation). The label further specifies a usage rate of 2 to 4 fluid ounces per 100 gallons of spray. This equates to 1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of spray â€“ Bayer recommends, however, using the lower rate. Also, Forbid 4F may be tank mixed with sprayable fertilizers, insecticides and fungicides, although Bayer recommends a jar compatibility test. This product is available through Bayer distributors, such as Southern Ag ( http://www.southernag.com ) in Boone , NC . A very knowledgeable contact at Southern Ag is Mike Presnell (e-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org ). It will also be marketed by OHP (Olympic Horticulture Products) under the name Judo. Lastly, it's available in 8 oz. bottles which cost $224.20 from Southern Ag. The cost per gallon of spray is about the same as Floramite, but remember this product is translaminar â€“ Floramite is not. And, this product has a longer residual effect." Let me know what you guys think!!!!!