Space, time, and life.

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  1. #1 dbx, Sep 4, 2011
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    Sperm whales have the largest brain out of any other animal in the world and are found in every ocean, just as humans can survive on almost every continent minus antarctica. Brains act in the same way as a computer, meaning that their memory and processing speed is dependent on the how many calculations the brain tissue or computer can perform in a certain amount of time. That is why ideas generally formulate better in a group than with only one brain. Consciousness is just a series of calculations. We usually only use a small percentage of our brain and we always wonder what would happen if we used all of our brain power. If sperm whales started started to use even the same percentage of their brain that we use now, they would have exactly 666.67% the computing power that we have. Disturbingly, six-hundred-sixty-six is also the sign of the "devil". What if that mythology was a warning to us to keep true to our morals, treat others with respect (Especially the whales), and focusing on keeping the earth void of disease, hunger, and pollution. It will be worth our while to figure out a way to focus our species brainpower as a whole towards prolonging our planets life as it is the only known place in the universe that is suitable for human life to happen. We also need to put more effort as a species to observe our surroundings and make more educated decisions. If we don't then the human species as we are familiar with, will eventually be outsmarted by a smarter species or become extinct in some other way.

    I believe that in a few billion years sperm whales will evolve into land animals as they are mammals and be superior to humans and either enslave us or help us on our journey to populate the a portion of the universe for a given amount of time. The sun is supposed to die out in about 4.5 - 5 billion years which would give them enough time to naturally evolve.

    I believe space is infinite, this is very important to keep in mind. There are infinite possibilities for any environment to form anywhere in the universe. For example, the "big bang" very well could have occurred, but not in the conventional sense. I think of the omniverse as an endless soup of endless depth and mass. Just because we only have invented microscopes that can see only so small and telescopes that can only see so far most definitely does not mean that environments bigger or smaller than ours. The laws of the universe we occupy as far as i can observe are not relevant to how big you as an entity are, but instead are a constant. Mass causes a relative distortion in space, this distortion is known as gravity.

    There are three types of "life" that i can think of: carbon based life forms, machine life, and plasma life. In order for machine life to occur there almost certainly must be intelligent carbon based life forms. Plasma life is short lived and has no basis for it to evolve unless given the optimal conditions with elements we might not know of elsewhere in the omniverse. I think that the smartest living form of anything conceivable to man currently is plasma. I can observe that life if life is given optimal conditions then it will flourish, Earth being a prime example. Somewhere out there a species has vehicles capable of true intergalactic travel. Because space is infinite the probability of them finding us is so small that i wouldn't expect it to happen in our species existence, unless we invent intergalactic vehicles in time before our species is wiped out. We need start to stop ignoring problems and begin to fix things really fast. Humanity, divided into opposing nations will just stunt mans development in the long run. Love your neighbor and flourish or our species will eventually die out and some other life form out there will eventually take your place. Life is too beautiful. We've all essentially been blessed with sheer luck to even be hear in the first place. Your carbon based life is one of the rarest things in existence. Why waste it?
     
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    eeeeveeeen if that was plausible at all, society has changed the course of evolution on this planet, possibly even stopping our own.
     
  3. #3 dbx, Sep 4, 2011
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    Yes, we definitely have changed the course of evolution on this planet. We haven't stopped our evolution in the slightest though, it'd be blatantly ignorant to believe that. Evolution is times way of naturally adapting us to new environments. As long as we are changing our lifestyles and making new advances in medicine, habit, and technology into our perceived existence generation to generation evolution will continue.
     
  4. 666.67 rounds up
     
  5. God didn't create all men equal.. Samuel Colt did.
     
  6. size isn't everything when it comes to brains. Its more about what parts are developed.

    Whales will not take over if left to evolution in the absence of man.
     
  7. Saw this commercial on TV.

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  8. What's the relevance?

    That's not how computer memory works, and there are serious difference between modern computers and the human brain. It's not really a good analogy.

    I would argue that we formulate far worse ideas in groups than as individuals. Take a look at the counter-productivity of provincialism. But that's more of an opinion that objective fact.

    Actually we use all of our brains. This is a common urban legend surrounding modern neurology.

    Any computer engineer will tell you that computer power is totally useless if you're not using it right. A modern scientific calculator possesses more raw computing power than the entire Apollo space program. Interesting, huh?

    Also -- I'm curious, where did you get this math from?

    This is the science section -- why're you referencing moralistic fables? I have no idea how you arrived at this number, but the variation of .67 is very significant. You can't just wish it away. Shoe-horned correlation?

    Functional human morals are demonstrably relative. There are no absolute morals that govern humanity as a whole. Nearly all taboos are the norm in some culture at some time.

    It's not our lack of comprehension or innovation which stifles this -- it's conflicting interests, lack of education, and our affinity for immediate rewards.

    You try and tell a farmer in Kenya that he can't have petrol to run his agricultural equipment. People will die as a consequence. We can innovate, but innovation takes time. These issues are in the here and now and they are already in conflict. How do we handle them?

    The scientific method! Huzzah!

    But you have to be careful, because as humanity acquires tools of greater power, we have increase potential to do both great good and great harm. Nuclear fission is a great example.

    I'm not sure you know much about biological evolution.

    First off, whales already WERE originally land mammals. It proved better for their survival to move towards the oceans and away from land.

    Secondly, evolution does not have a progression, it's not as if all entities are evolving towards intelligence. Some of the oldest extant organisms with the great potential to survive into the future posses no nervous systems at all. Percieved intelligence in contemporary species may not be their best survival traits and may be lost as we move into the future.

    Also, the time spans we are talking will ensure that humanity no longer exists, at least not how we know it. In a billion years, life on earth will be as dramatically different as it was a billion years before modernity. Humans as we know it, will cease to exist, unless preserved by intentional and artificial means.

    Space is not infinite. Expansion could be, but maybe that even is not..

    Particle physics tells us differently.

    I like that. I can agree with you there! :)
     
  9. #9 dbx, Sep 4, 2011
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  10. if you didn't round up the seven it would also be 666.66666... I agree that whales evolving exactly the way I'm proposing isn't very likely, but it's definitely weird to think that the animal with the largest brain on our world is exactly 666.66666... times bigger then the current basically earths predatory leader by our standards. It was just an interesting observation.
     
  11. A brain to body mass ratio is a better rough estimation of the intelligence of a given organism. For instance the sperm whale brain weighs about 18 lbs, while a human brain weighs 3 lbs. A sixfold difference might seem significant, but when you consider the mass of a sperm whale (126,000 lbs) is about 1000 times that of a human (120-140 lbs) the difference seems much less profound in terms of scale. Our brains make up about 2.14% of our overall mass whereas a sperm whale's brain makes up about 0.014% of its overall mass. Though this measurement is far from perfect.
     
  12. #13 dbx, Sep 5, 2011
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  13. Tertiary non-academic source? I've got a roll of that next to my toilet.



    P.S. -- what happened to the paragraph you wrote about being on tainted bud and that being the reason your ideas are so fragmented and nonsensical? Why did you delete that?
     

  14. Isn't it against the rules to post about other drugs? I was talking about one, so i deleted it. They aren't really nonsensical, whales are smart as fuck.
     
  15. #16 Sam_Spade, Sep 5, 2011
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    How does it have anything to do with your original point?

    So are dogs and pigs and ants and bonobos and dolphins and octopi.

    EDIT: and crows and parrots and bees and some humans
     

  16. Actually dogs brains are smaller and by my logic that makes them not able to process as much. I just find it ignorant to believe that we have the most capable brains on earth, we are superior currently because we have hands which are capable of making all these tools that we think of. We also have a language, whales sing these great long songs and are able to communicate across very long distances. For some reason I get the vibe that you are just arguing with me for the sake of arguing. Some people believe in a god, and I believe in infinite space and that sperm whales, dolphins, or some other species may eventually outsmart us. I get that you don't agree with me and i am interested in what you have to say. Please try to refrain from letting your emotions cloud your logic.
     
  17. Why is this in the Science sub forum? I think this belongs in Pandoras Box.

    P.S. This is something a 5 year old would think of.
     
  18. haha and sorry this is in the wrong forum, I'm still relatively new to this site.
     
  19. No, I'm arguing with you because you're invoking urban legends, moralistic fables, numerology and non-sequiturs in order to validate a belief which you find pleasing. You do not seem concerned with fact or accuracy -- but are rather rearing to please yourself.

    Another non-sequitur?

    I'm not even arguing the contradictory position of this. I'm rather trying to show that your comprehension of interspecies intelligence is pretty arbitrary and uninformed.

    It's also interesting to go back to your original post and see how many of your own claims you have seemingly ignored once confronted. They just evaporate, but somehow your thesis persists with even more fragmented portions.

    Your lack of self-awareness is baffling.
     

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