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Chaffy · Oct 6, 2010

fourtwenty4201 said:

dude you just blew my mind!! i always think about what language my dad thinks in because he is french canadian and spoke french most of his life, but now he only speaks english., but this is much more crazy
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Yea, I study spanish and i always catch myself thinking in terms of what spanish words mean in english. I feel like being able to think in two languages would be sweet. highdeas (?) in two languages!

fourtwenty4201 · Oct 6, 2010

yeah dude, i actually had no idea people could think with pictures. the thought of it also blows my mind.

mushroomsatsuji · Oct 6, 2010

fourtwenty4201 said:

yeah dude, i actually had no idea people could think with pictures. the thought of it also blows my mind.
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Well man. you found one....I had no idea it was so rare

CSn0w · Oct 6, 2010

newbienewton said:

In what language do deaf people think?

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Dear Cecil:
In what language do deaf people think? I think in English, because that's what I speak. But since deaf people cannot hear, they can't learn how to speak a language. Nevertheless, they must think in some language. Would they think in English if they use sign language and read English? How would they do that if they've never heard the words they are signing or reading pronounced? Or maybe they just see words in their head, instead of hearing themselves?

— Cathy, Malvern, Pennsylvania

You're on the right track, kid. But first a little detour. Your speculations raise a larger question: Can you think without language? Answer: Nope, at least not at the level humans are accustomed to. That's why deafness can have far more serious consequences than blindness, developmentally speaking. The blind suffer many hardships, not the least of which is the inability to read in the usual manner. But even those sightless from birth acquire language by ear without difficulty in infancy, and having done so lead relatively ordinary lives. A congenitally deaf child isn't so lucky: unless someone realizes very early that he's not talking because he can't hear, his grasp of communication may never progress beyond the rudiments.

The language of the deaf is a vast topic that has filled lots of books--one of the best is Seeing Voices: A Journey Into the World of the Deaf by Oliver Sacks (1989). All I can do in this venue is sketch out a few basic propositions:

The folks at issue here are both (a) profoundly and (b) prelingually deaf. If you don't become totally deaf until after you've acquired language, your problems are . . . well, not minor, but manageable. You think in whatever spoken language you've learned. Given some commonsense accommodation during schooling, you'll progress normally intellectually. Depending on circumstances you may be able to speak and lip-read.

About one child in a thousand, however, is born with no ability to hear whatsoever. Years ago such people were called deaf-mutes. Often they were considered retarded, and in a sense they were: they'd never learned language, a process that primes the pump for much later development. The critical age range seems to be 21 to 36 months. During this period children pick up the basics of language easily, and in so doing establish essential cognitive infrastructure. Later on it's far more difficult. If the congenitally deaf aren't diagnosed before they start school, they may face severe learning problems for the rest of their lives, even if in other respects their intelligence is normal.

The profoundly, prelingually deaf can and do acquire language; it's just gestural rather than verbal. The sign language most commonly used in the U.S. is American Sign Language, sometimes called Ameslan or just Sign. Those not conversant in Sign may suppose that it's an invented form of communication like Esperanto or Morse code. It's not. It's an independent natural language, evolved by ordinary people and transmitted culturally from one generation to the next. It bears no relationship to English and in some ways is more similar to Chinese--a single highly inflected gesture can convey an entire word or phrase. (Signed English, in which you'll sometimes see words spelled out one letter at a time, is a completely different animal.) Sign can be acquired effortlessly in early childhood--and by anyone, not just the deaf (e.g., hearing children of deaf parents). Those who do so use it as fluently as most Americans speak English. Sign equips native users with the ability to manipulate symbols, grasp abstractions, and actively acquire and process knowledge--in short, to think, in the full human sense of the term. Nonetheless, "oralists" have long insisted that the best way to educate the deaf is to teach them spoken language, sometimes going so far as to suppress signing. Sacks and many deaf folk think this has been a disaster for deaf people.

The answer to your question is now obvious. In what language do the profoundly deaf think? Why, in Sign (or the local equivalent), assuming they were fortunate enough to have learned it in infancy. The hearing can have only a general idea what this is like--the gulf between spoken and visual language is far greater than that between, say, English and Russian. Research suggests that the brain of a native deaf signer is organized differently from that of a hearing person. Still, sometimes we can get a glimpse. Sacks writes of a visit to the island of Martha's Vineyard, where hereditary deafness was endemic for more than 250 years and a community of signers, most of whom hear normally, still flourishes. He met a woman in her 90s who would sometimes slip into a reverie, her hands moving constantly. According to her daughter, she was thinking in Sign. "Even in sleep, I was further informed, the old lady might sketch fragmentary signs on the counterpane," Sacks writes. "She was dreaming in Sign."

— Cecil Adams
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i still want to know what a person born Blind would experience if on LSD...

Chaffy · Oct 6, 2010

Newton, thanks for posting that article, I was actually reading it after searching google.
I guess I could never fully grasp what it's like to think in sign because I learned from such a young age to think in words. hmm

Chaffy · Oct 6, 2010

CSn0w said:

i still want to know what a person born Blind would experience if on LSD...
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There's a rumor that stevie wonder tried LSD in the 70's.

CSn0w · Oct 6, 2010

Chaffy said:

There's a rumor that stevie wonder tried LSD in the 70's.
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oh god, a blind black man on LSD, maybe the scene from the movie during his withdrawls was what happened?

Chaffy · Oct 6, 2010

CSn0w said:

oh god, a blind black man on LSD, maybe the scene from the movie during his withdrawls was what happened?
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aha making my night right now cracking up at that image

hydrohashish · Oct 6, 2010

How Deaf People Think
I think theres another thread with the exact same question here somewhere.

acidsoda · Oct 6, 2010

Chaffy said:

Which brings up another point, if blind people take a hallucinogenic, what would happen?
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probably start hearin crazy shit, or they waste all their hard earned cash on shrooms and now what do they do? That money was for groceries and you spent it on shit shrooms! So go read some braile newspaper or somethin and try to figure out what to do next, oh I know! I could get a job! What job can a poor blind and hallucinating man get in this society? None! FUCK ALL YALL

scarletangel · Oct 6, 2010

you got me brainstorming...
nice one^_^

ChillGuy94 · Oct 7, 2010

What would happen to Helen Keller on any drug?!

That'd be crazy.

CSn0w · Oct 8, 2010

ChillGuy94 said:

What would happen to Helen Keller on any drug?!

That'd be crazy.
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but also very cruel, atleast with a blind person you cant get some sort of consent.

Oh Well Whatever · Oct 8, 2010

way too burnt out for this thread defintely makes ya think

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