well, i'm definitely biased because i live in a country that implements universal health care. i know our system is not without problems, but i don't feel restricted or enslaved in the slightest. i'm rather content with the system here. also remember that not all medical problems are caused by unhealthy habits. some people are born with medical conditions that require lifelong treatment.
I understand certain medical conditions and would be much more inclined in a system which helped them. But to provide insurance for every single abortion, simple cold, and unhealthy habit which people chose to partake in, i'm not for supporting or partaking in the slightest. Americans are criticized throughout the world for being fat asses, and there is a reason for that, most of them are! We have horrible eating habits and i honestly believe cancer could just be a vitamin deficiency, please don't question my mental stability, but we live on a less nutritious diet than undomesticated animals and are starting to die before some of them through 20th-21st century incurable illnesses. when the pharmaceutical industry isn't interested in curing, but sustaining profits by keeping people on daily medications, which won't do anything but crash our economy when a small percent is now being forced responsibility to providing for the community, through taxation and punishable by incarceration. If i could only work 3 days a week and survive because i'm more efficient than my neighbor, i don't see why i should be forced into working a fourth or fifth day to just help provide for my neighbors. It's personal responsibility and your robbing me of my individual per suit of happiness in the process. or... they shouldn't be held accountable for other peoples actions, you're the one taking money away and valuable time by taking more money out of there pockets. time is money, the more money you take away from them, the less money they have to sustain there lifestyle, the less time they have to stay at home with their families, they have to spend that time working more to make more money so after the government takes one third of their income, they still have enough left over to pay their mortgage and keep a roof over their heads while maintaining their job security.
How am i taking money away from your parents? The real problem here imo is that your parents are living a lifestyle that they cannot afford.. They should chill out a little..
by your ideals and voting for redistribution of wealth and encouraging it. they really don't in my opinion, but then again when you come from poverty you want to enjoy the things you were never able to. a suburban, chrysler 300, nissan maxima, and 4 bedroom home in a middle class neighborhood. you also don't have four children, two college loans, a mortgage, three car payments. average cost of child for 65k+ is 249,180 total x 4 = a little under a million. they pay a little under a million every 11 years to the government. they bring home 2 million every 10 years, - 900k from government, -500k from children,= 600k left over, that little over 1/4th of there income. they could pay there house off, college loans, and all three car payments while keeping 275k over the next 10 years. that's 27.5k a year, almost poverty, to live off the next 10 years by themselves after paying off ALL loans and children from an original 300k income. http://moneycentral.msn.com/articles/family/kids/tlkidscost.asp
it was your parents' choice to have four children. i'm not saying at all that they shouldn't have had four children, but they should have at least known what was coming. my parents don't make half as much as yours do. they live within their means, pay their taxes, and still have some money left over to donate to charitable causes. and we live in a country with universal healthcare. personally, i think it's kind of sad that someone can complain about making $300k and not having enough money.
It's interesting that if you lived in say socialist Germany where the personal tax rate is around 52% (one of the highest in the world) but as health and educatiuon are already paid for by the system they already pay into. From a 300k yearly salary that would leave 144k to pay for morgage and living costs so i guess you could say you'd be much much better off under a socialist system
you sir stated almost exactly what i believe, i was thinking about just buying Detroit and starting the USA over with the original constitution the way the our founding fathers created but to my dismay i am not allowed to purchase thus state in the terms of creating another country. as of yet.....
you aren't subtracting children, and 52% income tax doesn't clear up any money, you'll still need insurance so you aren't waiting on your death bed every time you go into the hospital. so i guess i could say, socialism = fail, because we wouldn't have any of these luxuries which we have today, wasn't it like a year ago Cuba finally got cell phones, and they're still too scared to make calls on them because of there oppressive socialist government? correct. In Cuba, Cellphone Calls Go Unanswered - washingtonpost.com and yes, i'm jobless currently, hard to find a job in this economy without a high school diploma, let alone any job at all, Obama 2012! When i'm older i want to break 300k numbnuts, why are banks allowed to make millions and still taxed at same percent as 300k? Why am i never allowed to save up and have millions in the bank? Why must i be taxed like the most wealthiest men in the world, simple answer, you want free handouts, you're greedy and think it's someone elses job to take care of yourself. I don't have health insurance, well anyone who has a job should be responsible for me living until i'm 100, pay for my medical bills so i can enjoy my god given freedom to sit on my ass all day and not die of lung cancer because i smoke 2 packs a day and have a horrible crystal meth addiction. P.S. i'm not complaining about making enough, i'm complaining about being taxed so much. My parents earn a lot of money, a lot of upper middle class are happy with there salaries, they aren't happy with the ever rising income tax, who are you to subject a group of people into providing for the whole?
so i'm greedy because i want healthcare for everyone, and you're greedy because you want millions in the bank. we all want something. listen man, the only one who's going to stop you from making millions is yourself. stop blaming the system like a little bitch.
you're greedy because you don't want to pay as much as you want others to pay. Why don't you pay 30% of your income and start providing health insurance for all the chinese workers making your cheap walmart products which make it able for you to afford a nice lifestyle. listen man, i don't see you offering to pay more money, i want opportunity, not 90k out of my salary yearly while others are collecting money from the government. don't blame capitalism, pharmaceutical, health insurers, banks, the federal reserve, congress, senate, or president, just blame yourself for not having health insurance, how about that buddy? when taxes reach 50% and half your paycheck is taken away as soon as your considered rich at 350k, then is it still my fault for never having any money in the bank? or should i adjust my lifestyle to those of middle class so the other half of my paycheck can provide you with modern luxuries?
well this is why i plan on staying in canada. i'm sure there are others who are benefitting from the healthcare system WAY more than i am. and i am quite content with that. i am happy that those who need it are receiving it. if you support a private system, then keep fighting for it. i don't deny that there are benefits to a private system. i just happen to think there are more benefits with a government run system. if i could, i would pay for healthcare for chinese workers. unfortunately, i am not making any money right now because i'm in school. i am not trying to sound like a saint or anything, but i REALLY don't care about money. having millions sitting in the bank while others are starving is something i could NEVER do. and that is a personal decision.
I take it you did't understand what i was saying, the overall tax burden is 52% (that includes income tax national insurance and health insurance) which would leave 48% of the 300k in your hands. As the German health service is one of the best in the world and there are no waiting times for beds only 10% of the population choose to take private health insurance (it is an option to opt-out of the national scheme and go private.) Health Care in Germany What must i subtract for children? Education is free and the right of every citizen up to and including university so nothing to pay for except new shoes i suppose so i guess i could say lack of knowledge = fail, Germany is classed as the powerhouse of the European economy and was among the first to bounce back from the global recession. Cuba on the other hand has suffered for decades under unfair economic sanctions from an overbearing bullying capitalist neighbour United States embargo against Cuba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I agree with your initial statement; however, I don't think that it's strictly an emotional decision. Like you said, it depends on your values/beliefs. I believe that an institution like the government shouldn't be allowed to take a cut of someone's labor (taxation/theft) and they shouldn't be allowed to intervene in a transaction of goods/services between two consenting parties. Socialism puts all its faith in the state and it doesn't take a genius to see how corrupt the state can get when it is large and powerful. Socialists believe that there are these benevolent people that can be at the controls and somehow not be corrupted, but I just can't see that happening. All you need to do to corrupt a good person is to put him in a bad situation (see Stanford Prison experiment).
rofl, give up 90% of what you own. two pairs of shoes and clothing is two pairs too many, donate them, donate anything you don't NEED. got 10 cans of soup? donate 5. go apply this yourself before you ask of it from others. you enjoy losing 160 million each day through private banks, granted by your parliament. that's a lot of mouths you guys could be feeding, or do you not care about the aspect of government fraud?
our banking system is a whole different story. i've seen that video about the private banks. i'm not an economist so i don't pass judgment on it. i don't "enjoy losing 160 million each day". i don't support everything my government does.
Cuba doesn't want Westernization, we'd trade with them if they would allow U.S. tourists. i do not live in Germany, so i do lack their fundamental living habits, do you live in Germany to testify that this system is in fact beneficial for all, or am i just an idiot for not living there while you spent 2 minutes on google looking at a german webpage? subtract the same cost as it would be to raise a child in America, since after all we live in America and are talking about America's healthcare. stop comparing country vs country, we could open a capitalist economy in Haiti and it still wouldn't thrive.
that's why i don't support every tenet of socialist doctrine. there's aspects to both capitalism and socialism that can serve in a nation's best interests. i believe that given the relatively low population of canada, a government run healthcare system works fine. maybe it would be different in the united states, i don't know.
before we can ever dream of universal healthcare our system needs to be fixed in many aspects, from government spending, to the two party system, we need to gut out our government sector. we have more government jobs than manufacturing, we used to be huge manufactures, now we've done a 360 into a HUGE government/police state. we have private banks enslaving our own citizens through inflation and interest, then the ever increasing income tax, where the government taxes you for being a productive, working citizen, and the harder you work and more ladders you climb, the deeper the hole of income tax is. where shortly 30% of your work is taxed, for every hour, you donate 20 minutes to the government/society, where others only have to donate 6 minutes, and they're the underachieving citizens. now you have to donate 25 minutes of every hour so the now 7.5 minute donation workers are provided with new modern luxuries (free healthcare) which is why you're working an extra 18.5 minutes, just to provide for them. you want to be able to enjoy your life as long as you can, i want the freedom to not be punished for others failures. i don't want to have to work longer and harder than you, just so i can be forced into helping you afford your own bills, that's not freedom.