Socialism; I Dont Get It.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Sovereign Psyche, Jun 4, 2013.

  1. How do you think a first world country becomes a first world country? free markets. Or at least freer markets then third world socialist hellholes.

     
  2. They became that way because of their location and the countries that settled/invaded them in the last few centuries. Many countries in the middle east are at war BECAUSE of actions that the US made, I.e. secretly supplying arms and aid to different countries.

    Look at southern Africa, most of it is fucked up because of French, German, US and British involvement during WWII.

    Most problems in the world all stem from race and religion.
     
  3. The irony.
     
  4. The irony.
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    What irony? I think your quoted the wrong person

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  5. #25 Mairuzu, Jun 4, 2013
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    He's trying to say that the way you prevent yourself is childish, I believe. Hence the irony.
     
    I personally don't think it is. I'd say unprofessional.
     
    Edit: BUt who cares? LOL
     
  6. I admit my ideas are idealistic.

    But the way I see it. Violence is a circle.

    It may be naive and childish to support NAP and free market when you look at human nature.

    But I think its right.

    Most socialists fail to see that the only way socialism can success is within a free market system

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  7. I admit my ideas are idealistic.

    But the way I see it. Violence is a circle.

    It may be naive and childish to support NAP and free market when you look at human nature.

    But I think its right.

    Most socialists fail to see that the only way socialism can success is within a free market system

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    If the British and the Dutch hadn't come to South Africa (the country), it would still be really undeveloped. 
     
    The same can be said for many countries that were once colonized by Europeans. It doesn't make it right, but to say that undeveloped nations are so because of the more developed ones is an abstraction.
     
  9. If the British and the Dutch hadn't come to South Africa (the country), it would still be really undeveloped.

    The same can be said for many countries that were once colonized by Europeans. It doesn't make it right, but to say that undeveloped nations are so because of the more developed ones is an abstraction.
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    Qft

    No one can really.make the claim
    "If this happened this would have happened"

    Or vise versa

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    Do some reading. You have any idea of how many Japanese died in the nukes dropped vs the 100% Carpet bombing of there island nation? The nuke was a secret and they were not so sure it would work or stop the war. We for weeks saturated that island with bombs. The Japs at the time used wood and paper for there buildings. The island literally was a blaze with millions that died. 
     
    It was estimated at the time and if you talk to WW2 vets that are still around...they were on the boats literally for the invasion of Japan. Anyhow it was estimated at the time it would take over 1 million US Allied troops force them to capitulate. We used two nukes and the biggest bluff of the 20th Century that we had hundreds when in fact we only had two. 
     
    As for it not being forgot good. I was a US Marine for over 10 years at the invasion of Afghan and Iraq and multiple revisits. Killing my nations enemies and destroying there things was a blessed duty. Whats interesting is when the Army took over both countries liked how they were treated alot better. When the Marines came back to Afghan for the Surge. Afganies were uneasy. They remembered what we did when we invaded there god forsaken country. We destroyed anything everything since it was a different time since Sept 11 had just happened. If you had a gun at the time you did not exist for very long. 
     
    Desensitized? LOL. Americans live in virtual paradise as the EU and Japan. That comes at a great cost, it comes at long term structuring of the world to benefit us. Nothing unusual about that. British did it with there Empire. Romans did it everyone does. China does it to this day. Read up on there exploits on oil and resources. China is literally buying up everything paying off the officials and raping whole countries. Part of how the machine works. Others suffer so I can buy cheap products. Yesterday it was slaves today its illegals, cheap asian labor. When the Asians are to expensive to use it will be South America. Fox Conn who makes all of Apples products is soon to break ground on a South American plant. Why? Chinese citizens are asking for to much money. 150 a week is apparently to much.
     
  11. I think it is you that needs to do a little research my friend. The Japanese were ready to surrender when the bombs were dropped. The only condition they were holding out for was that their Emperor could remain in power. They were beaten. No ground invasion was needed or warranted. The war could have been ended without the devastating loss of life that the atomic bombs brought. The dropping of the bombs was a cock flop, a show of power and strength.
     
    Your delight in being parts of the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan is evidence of your desensitization to war and the effect it has on the local population. The invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan have brought nothing but bloodshed and suffering to its people. Over 1,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in May this year as a result of the mess that Iraq has been left in after the US led invasion. Over 500,000 Iraqi kids died as a result of the sanctions that the US inflicted upon Iraq between the two wars. I think that later in life when you and others that took part in the invasions reflect upon the reality of your actions you will not be so dismissive of the consequences of the futile wars. A large percentage of US vets who took part in the genocide in Vietnam never found peace again and the same will be true of veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan in the years ahead.
     
    As regards the Chinese i ask the same questions that you failed to answer earlier. How many wars are China involved in at the moment ?
    How many countries has China invaded in the last 30 years ?
     
  12. I think it is you that needs to do a little research my friend. The Japanese were ready to surrender when the bombs were dropped. The only condition they were holding out for was that their Emperor could remain in power. They were beaten. No ground invasion was needed or warranted. The war could have been ended without the devastating loss of life that the atomic bombs brought. The dropping of the bombs was a cock flop, a show of power and strength.

    Your delight in being parts of the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan is evidence of your desensitization to war and the effect it has on the local population. The invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan have brought nothing but bloodshed and suffering to its people. Over 1,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in May this year as a result of the mess that Iraq has been left in after the US led invasion. Over 500,000 Iraqi kids died as a result of the sanctions that the US inflicted upon Iraq between the two wars. I think that later in life when you and others that took part in the invasions reflect upon the reality of your actions you will not be so dismissive of the consequences of the futile wars. A large percentage of US vets who took part in the genocide in Vietnam never found peace again and the same will be true of veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan in the years ahead.

    As regards the Chinese i ask the same questions that you failed to answer earlier. How many wars are China involved in at the moment ?
    How many countries has China invaded in the last 30 years ?
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    Well said

    500,000 kids died in Iraq as a direct result of sanctions by the united states. People really need to take that number in.

    That's double the number in the Japan nukes.

    And on top of the the 500,000 number refers only to children.

    America is such a hypocrite.
    "We can't let evil men have "weapons" of mass destruction. They should just cause mass destruction without weapons like us"
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  13. Quoted for truth
     
  14. I just want to point out that this isn't true at all, coal kills more people world wide then nuclear energy:
     
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/
     
    Secondly, we have the technology to produce reactors that will not ever meltdown, as in it physically can not happen.
     
    http://www.dvice.com/archives/2011/03/how-to-make-a-n.php
     
    It's too bad we wont ever see one of these in the US, thanks to Big Coal!
     
    I used to have the same viewpoint as you, until I actually did research.
     
  15. Or we could just legalize hemp
     
  16. Or make government illegal. WAIT WHAT
     
  17. Or we could just legalize hemp
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    I like the free market idea.

    No one can really say what fuel sources are best because the market doesn't even allow us to try or chose

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  18. Thanks for the heads up, I didn't know they had this type of tech. With meltdown proof reactors I retract my statements. I wasn't really thinking coal when it came to cleanest. I was thinking more like solar(not efficient enough). From my understandings of the little research I have done on energy sources each one has its own flaws and benefits. Prior to meltdown proof reactors my statements held true(I think?)
     

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