SiCKO!

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  1. #1 420tom, Apr 8, 2011
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    so im watching the michael Moore documentary Sicko about americas heath care and all i can say as an canadian is holy shyte.

    seriously it blows my mind on the shit in this film, having to pay for all that hospital shit and the fact that it seems extremely hard to get health insurance.
    i mean everywhere else has free health care canada, london, britain, france, CUBA etc, i mean i feel bad for you guys.
    hopefully in the future you can have it but who know's
    i kno this is random and pointless but i feel sorry for most of you, and i feel great to say i live in canada, i've also lived in new jersey for6-7 years so i've had my fair share on both sides.

    stay fit/healthy American's.. you can always come here :smoke:
     
  2. Canada ftw!!! =D
     
  3. i kno this is wierd but i want to start a discussion on this.. anyone have opinions on this? lets get everyone involved!!
     
  4. Canada seems like an awesome place to live, not gonna lie
     
  5. I've had to have some visits to the hospital and doctors and I have nothing but good things to day. As long as you have insurance, its the best in the world. Although it does need some sort of reformation, I am not educated enough to understand why or how.
     
  6. It's not bad at all until you get older. America takes care of it's kids when it comes to healthcare. I've had full coverage for everything, no matter what, since I was born and I'll continue to have it until I'm 21 and mom has and will always have full coverage because of her disablilty. Like a lot of things in America though, it can often depend on your parents financial situation. And obviously it differs by state since there is no national healthcare really.
     
  7. Idk if this is true or not, but I heard that you don't get to choose your doctor in Canada, or you have a very limited selection, and that a lot of Canada's good doctors practice medicine in the U.S. because they aren't restricted on pay by the gov. That seems like the only flaw I can find in free health care, but running the risk of getting a shitty doctor doesn't seem worth it.
     
  8. what about when your older? when your on your own? when you have to get insurance on your own for yourself? in the film it talks about how people are denied over the smallest things people being to fat some girl 5"2' 170 pounds rejected this guy 6'1'' 130 pounds rejected.
     

  9. iunno about that i lol... i have had the same doctor for a while iunno how hard it is to find one, but 1 doctor in canada can handle alot of people, are hospitals are fast minimized waiting time for surgery and general shit. I had to get surgery recently i went to the hospital on the day of my appointment waited like 2 hours the i walked out.
     
  10. so called "terrorist" in guantamano bay are getting better health care then most americans, its actually the only american owned place with actual free health care.
     
  11. im either hitting up oregon cali or canada
     

  12. iunno about that i lol... i have had the same doctor for a while iunno how hard it is to find one, but 1 doctor in canada can handle alot of people, are hospitals are fast minimized waiting time for surgery and general shit. I had to get surgery recently i went to the hospital on the day of my appointment waited like 2 hours the i walked out.
     
  13. Sometimes individual insurance companies will deny coverage for pre-existing conditions if you don't have proof of prior coverage. Which is very dumb, but that's how it is. Obama just passed this bill (sorry if I am not completely correct on all of this) that was the beginning of ironing out all of this garbage, but I am pretty sure it is up in the air again, our republican congress is playing dirty on everything it seems.

    Anyway, almost all children in America are eligible for some form of subsidized health care depending on income (there is a cap but it is much higher for children than others) In families with low income they all qualify and people who are disabled do too. In some cases based on income there are premiums. The copays are very cheap. But dental care is not available to most because the dentists do not get reimbursed enough to see it as a profitable measure. They do not accept. But if they know you are on state insurance they can not let you do a self pay either. So people get screwed that way big time, at least in my state. Many people fall through the cracks if they don't have kids or make too much but don't have insurance offered through an employer. If your employer offers insurance and pays 80% of the premiums, you have to take it. Your kids will still be eligible for the state health care as a secondary though if I am correct.

    We have great insurance compared to most around here and pay about $160 month for family coverage. Preventive is free, office visits are 30, couseling is free, prescriptions are cheap, sometimes free. Most people I know pay alot more for alot less. State employees have better options but not for long.

    There will probably never be universal health care in America. It is looked at as Socialist and the republicans don't like to take care of their own here in America. The programs I spoke of earlier are deemed "entitlement programs" and are considered a dirty word basically. People very much look down on them, even some people who have had to use them. It is a damn shame if you ask me.
     
  14. Sicko makes some valid points but it is all clouded in Michael Moore propoganda which makes everything not done in America look like a gift from God when in reality every system has it's draw backs. Like the Cuba part, come on, do you really think Cuban hospitals work like that or they just did that for the Americans to make Cuba look good.
    We have good healthcare in America if you can afford it or have a decent job that supplies you with insurence. Sure not everyone is covered but we don't pay 50% income taxes either. It may sound harsh but you know what they say..."Life's a bitch an then you die"
     

  15. actually i do think cuban hospitals work like that.
    america has one of the highest infant mortality rate.
    its average life span of a american citicen is low, an average canadian will live about 3 years longer than an american, same thing with cuba.
    i kno what you mean saying there trying to look good but in reality, there just better.
     
  16. In other countries, citizens pay less for medications they need in order to survive. In America, it usually costs twice or even triple the amount that citizens in a 3rd world country pay.

    Not to mention, insurance companies are betting against people - hoping they will die so that they can make money. This is the problem when you put corporations in charge of deciding peoples lives, they are always looking for the method that will further fatten their already momentous wallet.

    I saw the movie a while ago, its really good - I need to watch it again to catch up on the real details however.
     

  17. A longer life span doesn't directly relate to a good healthcare system. The average life span in 1780 in America was longer then it is today in America. My guess would be that the people in Canada and Cuban eat healthier foods then most Americans. Also considering that the US has had an embargo on Cuba and some of the best medical equipment is made in America and that for the most part Cuban people live in a third world country, I would bet money that the majority of Cuban hospitals do not work like the one in Sicko. I would post links but I'm stoned and lazy an I'm sure you know how to work google.
     

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