The American dream is all about competition. Be all.you can be and earn a life. But our culture is the opposite most of the time. American students typically do the minimum needed to get by and survive. They pass with C's get a job and become a consumer. Why in the land of opportunity do we have the least ammount of motivated kids? Would public grades put pressure on people to try harder? Or is the problem more along the lines of taking.opportunity for granted. pot head atheist gamer with no job. judge me.
Some people just want those simple dumbed down lives. Subconsciously they are afraid of trying to attain a good life and failing. So they settle, get a house, mortgage, car and poof. Life!
If you ask me, it's the bullshit education structure we have. High schools force you to take certain subjects in order to graduate. Whether or not you want to take them. Students will be unmotivated always if they are forced to take classes that do not interest them. If students were allowed to choose what interests them, you'd see GPA's go up by far. I hated math, I failed my first algebra class, and barely passed the rest of my required math classes. If you ask most math teachers when you are going use this material in life, they will often give you the run around or come up with some bullshit answer. Even classes like chemistry that I absolutely hated, I at least gave an effort and still failed. I liked history a lot. I excelled without trying, even took an AP course in European history. I liked writing, I always got great grades on writing assignments. I never had to write a rough draft or anything. I liked photography and culinary so I took those courses and passed without trying because it was something I liked. Get my drift... forcing kids to take classes they don't like will lower their GPA's and unmotivate them. A "well rounded" education is pointless at the high school level because kids are more mature and should be able to influence the direction of their education. If a student likes math and not history, they should be allowed to take as much courses as they want in math, and not have to take history. To me, this makes sense. Public grades, I have no idea what you mean by that. Alcoholic atheist gamer with one job. judge me.
fuckin semi colon's how do they work? and i dont wanna talk to an english teacher; yall motherfuckers liein its gettin me pissed.
[quote name='"lenny88"']If you ask me, it's the bullshit education structure we have. High schools force you to take certain subjects in order to graduate. Whether or not you want to take them. Students will be unmotivated always if they are forced to take classes that do not interest them. If students were allowed to choose what interests them, you'd see GPA's go up by far. I hated math, I failed my first algebra class, and barely passed the rest of my required math classes. If you ask most math teachers when you are going use this material in life, they will often give you the run around or come up with some bullshit answer. Even classes like chemistry that I absolutely hated, I at least gave an effort and still failed. I liked history a lot. I excelled without trying, even took an AP course in European history. I liked writing, I always got great grades on writing assignments. I never had to write a rough draft or anything. I liked photography and culinary so I took those courses and passed without trying because it was something I liked. Get my drift... forcing kids to take classes they don't like will lower their GPA's and unmotivate them. A "well rounded" education is pointless at the high school level because kids are more mature and should be able to influence the direction of their education. If a student likes math and not history, they should be allowed to take as much courses as they want in math, and not have to take history. To me, this makes sense. Public grades, I have no idea what you mean by that. Alcoholic atheist gamer with one job. judge me.[/quote] I agree fully. And what I meant by public grades is exactly.what it.sounds like. In Japan all.your grades are there for everyone to see. Its culturally shameful to fail classes. In America kids don't care as much. Would they care more if their immage was at stake? pot head atheist gamer with no job. judge me.
no motivation since no kid is left behind... failures are rewarded more then those excelling and applying themselves.... really...think of it...how the fuck can kids be expected to WANT to work hard and seek to be the best, when they can fuck off, be rewarded and via immoral tactics of brides, threats, abuse, if not just violence or sexual 'efforts', get the top jobs. the honest giving hard working 'best' kids are discouraged while dishonest selfish academic failing scumbags are rewarded..ya, no kid is left behind now...welcome to the USSA!
I don't see why they would give two shits... High school in Japan isn't compulsory at all. Yet almost all students go to high school. It's way more individualized. Students in the second year onward can choose what to study, depending on what they want to do after high school. alcoholic atheist gamer with one job. FUCK ME!
Dude....look within... You call these kids unmotivated? Let me tell you something, i'm one of them. Why SHOULD I be motivated? You're telling me, I should be doing jumping jacks over a 22% unemployment rate, corporate profits at an all time high, wages at an all time low, all in the worlds largest fascist state? I realize the reality of the world around me. Powerful, rich people use this capitalist democratic system around the world, to control and manipulate the people into forwarding their agenda of world domination, through secrecy and propaganda. Maybe these newer generations are just DEMANDING more? We want MORE. We don't want to work and break our backs for a living, we don't want to pick a leader they allow us to chose, we don't want to spend our lives longing for a greater purpose. Theres so much more to the universe than the world and the reality you think is important. Life is just a game, and we can change it anytime we want. The eyes of FEAR keep you obedient, wanting order, wanting form. The eyes of love say, "Hey man, take it easy. We are all one, we are made of the same matter that has been here forever. The creator loves you, he made you in his image. Don't be afraid, open up and embrace the universe" WE need to get out of this mentality. We need an ideological change, a revolution of ideas. That idea has come. And nobody can stop it.
Yea, it doesn't have much to do with grades being public or not, mostly has to do with progressive education, compulsory attendance, and required courses. Lenny is absolutely right that no one should have to take a course that doesn't interest them.
[quote name='"lightupbong"']Dude....look within... You call these kids unmotivated? Let me tell you something, i'm one of them. Why SHOULD I be motivated? You're telling me, I should be doing jumping jacks over a 22% unemployment rate, corporate profits at an all time high, wages at an all time low, all in the worlds largest fascist state? I realize the reality of the world around me. Powerful, rich people use this capitalist democratic system around the world, to control and manipulate the people into forwarding their agenda of world domination, through secrecy and propaganda. Maybe these newer generations are just DEMANDING more? We want MORE. We don't want to work and break our backs for a living, we don't want to pick a leader they allow us to chose, we don't want to spend our lives longing for a greater purpose. Theres so much more to the universe than the world and the reality you think is important. Life is just a game, and we can change it anytime we want. The eyes of FEAR keep you obedient, wanting order, wanting form. The eyes of love say, "Hey man, take it easy. We are all one, we are made of the same matter that has been here forever. The creator loves you, he made you in his image. Don't be afraid, open up and embrace the universe" WE need to get out of this mentality. We need an ideological change, a revolution of ideas. That idea has come. And nobody can stop it.[/quote] Its true. I was a c student and failed a class. I felt that I didn't need grades because all I had to do was graduate. I managed to get into college without even trying. I then learned the sad truth that my degree would be useless (music) After switching degrees my dad stopped paying my tuition and I had to drop out. I definatly feel you on the no reason to be motivated part.
my grades were pretty public in high school. most of my teachers would call out our grade at the end of the six weeks period from their desk. So the entire class could hear. Then again I took all AP classes when I was in high school so I wasn't stuck with people who didn't care. And I bet you these same kids who didn't care are going to grow up and demand we pay for their healthcare, education for their kids, and food stamps.
How did this post get so many likes? You complain about the education system and your suggestion is that we dumb it down? Only in America do you hear students whine about passing algebra in high school. Smh. Where do you live, Greece?
[quote name='"UU_ood"'] How did this post get so many likes? You complain about the education system and your suggestion is that we dumb it down? Only in America do you hear students whine about passing algebra in high school. Smh.[/quote] He never said to dumb down school. He recieced likes because he was right. Everyone sshould chose their classes. They will be more motivated
All colleges are going to require you have basic knowledge in math, English, etc... So what's wrong with requiring the basic classes for those subjects?
Where did I say I wanted to dumb it down? Could you show me where I suggested that? I was shooting crystal meth into my eyeballs when I wrote that so I might have forgot exactly what I said. Thanks.
This assumes every student is going to go to a college that requires prerequisites. Vocational schools don't all have prereq's. There is nothing wrong for a college to have prereq's, that's why they offer courses like college algebra for college students to take them. They elected to enroll in a college that has prereq's. Plus, colleges and universities require certain credits to gain entry. In high school, if you want to go to a university, you and your counselor can map out a course schedule that will meet the requirements. If you want to become a mathematician, why have to study history? If you want to become a lawyer, then why need to know how to balance a chemical equation?
Taking out algebra is dumbing down mathematical education. That was the big one you were complaining about, anyways. I'm pretty sure chemistry isn't a requirement in high school, at least it wasn't for me. It varies by county, I'm sure. But if you're having so much trouble completing basic introductory courses, drop out, get a GED/join a vocational school/enroll in CC. Nobody is forcing you to graduate high school. If you're going to say requiring certain classes to graduate high school killed your motivation, I can't see how you had much motivation to begin with. Maybe my county wasn't as strict as some of yours, we weren't required to take chemistry, for example.
Never said I wanted to take out algebra man. Please stop misrepresenting my points. And to go back to my original points. OP was asking why American students are unmotivated. So I stated my opinion using personal experience. I didn't fail every single class that I wasn't interested in, nor was I incapacitated by my lack of motivation.
I can't speak for any school in America, I was educated overseas, even though it was an American-based education. Chemistry was required in my school, as a science credit in which you needed a certain number of science credits to graduate.