Wait for aaronman to post in this thread again. Oh, mission already accomplished. Nah, but really, the change is happening. Marx felt it was inevitable. This was because it requires a spiritual evolution of the class consciousness into a human consciousness. This happens when humanity begins to face the contradictions of its existence. Have you noticed our unsustainable living? Have you noticed the hate crimes that occur most in the "free" countries? Have you noticed how monopolies stifle the creativity that kept capitalism alive and functioning smoothly at its beginning, when there were plenty of resources for the taking (from those who were using them more sustainably)? And for what man? Progress... Progress to what? Big numbers for the mighty dollar? Inflation? Not being able to buy food or go to school or afford medicinal aid? No the state isn't the answer... it's in the process of failing to provide all that it promised. Oh, and does the market care about you? What invisible hand is there anymore? As far as I know, it's all manipulated by the hand of those who print the money for the sake of buying real assets. Even if you live the paranoid life like aaronman, you see the truth in what I just said. Is this the life you'd be living if you could choose? Well, if not, why can't you choose? We need to update and humanize this vocabulary. A little more spirituality in politics perhaps? Who defines crime? Who has the right to now? You feel like your vote matters or something, aaronman? As for successful freeloading... haven't you seen it in our current globalizing world? It would also blow my mind if you denied that. Collective production to decline? Gasp... maybe we'd have less pinwheels! After all, this production rate is really sustainable! No reward for hard work? No need for it with all of our great technology, I would think. ???