Last grow, I used dollar store dirt, a plant liner I pulled out of the garbage, miracle grow and a single CFL bulb. It yielded less than 10g dried. The entire time the plant was hard to look at...it was so scrawny. I was also constantly chasing problems. From discolored/dying leaves, to lack of growth, tiny buds that really never got any size to them, mites, etc. This time, I've been using the Nectar for the Gods sample pack...well...except for the foliage spray and the two white bottles of pH balancing stuff...Hera up/Hades down...whatever. My plants are doing FANTASTIC!!! The blueberry is two weeks ahead in growth so more branch development. But the sex bud (C99) is a seriously lush plant!! I peeked under her skirt tonight and the trunk is easily 1/2" thick and she's only about a foot and a half tall!! I have a feeling she is gonna be massive!! Over top of each plant is a QB288 on a pulley that lets me keep raising each light independently as they grow taller. During the first month I was worried about how slow growth was, I haven't had a single grow problem in regard to the issues I had last time! Knowing what I know now, other than not being sure what I'd be paying (at full price) for the Nectar...and having the perfect 12x12 grow room, I could easily do this year round! I'm interested to see if this is just luck or if I can get the same results consistently. Just wanted to share!
Theyre pretty good and open the door to making youre own medium. Those guys live down the street from me and after using their sample line, i started a recipe that was molded off theirs. Now i always get amazing results and never have to add any nutrients or ph my water.
I'm confused.... what do you mean by "medium"? They shared their recipe with you? You don't need to add any nutes/ph your water....aside from the Nectar concoction you've made? Any clarification would be great. Thanks
Nectar for the gods along with making a bottled nutrient line also makes bagged soils of different types. Medium is what you would call the stuff the roots sit in. It can be many different materials so it's common for growers to generically call it a medium. I'm pretty sure he means they shared a good organic soil recipe with him.
Oh ok. Not sure that soil is available around here. I mean the hydroponic shop I bought the Happy Frog at had a ton of Nectar for the Gods bottles. But I didn't see any soil. And so long as I get these results consistently, I'm fine with continuing to use Happy Frog. I just added a few more cups of it to my Smart Pots tonight but I should have almost enough for another pot worth. So figure 3 pots per bag. Thanks
Nectar FOR the Gods make a few soil mix variants. Once the word gets out, I think it will be a big seller.
That was the other choice I had at the store....I went with Happy Frog. Are you saying FFOF is better....and then the NFtG is better yet? Thanks
They have maaaany videos online about how their nutrients work and how to create your own. They also share their recipe for their medium make ups (dirt, peatmoss, coco, etc is what i mean by the word medium). They entire team is extremely nice and even take phone calls or in person walk throughs of any process they're into researching. When I decided to start growing indoors again, I used their line and then ended up making my own no till setup based on their recipe somewhat. I just add water and the medium has all the nutrients already in it. No need to ph or anything like that. I dont use the word dirt because I use peat moss to make up my grow. If you would like to see what I mean, I have journals where I explain how it works at the bottom of this message in the link.
Stay with happy frog and nectar and dont listen to the experts!! I am using it too and it has to be the best way to go other than no till Papa Puffs Fall Auto & Photos show Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk
There’s definitely better soils than Happy Frog. @Rezerg is spot on about making your own soil. I do water only soil on one side of my flower room. Just started with the Aptus line of flower supplements to aid in the flowering phase but I think this method of water only through veg and organic supplements during Flower will produce some clean and potent medicine, with hydro like yields Soil2Coco’s Multi Strain Journal
A lot of growers default to fox farms bagged soil products. They do work but you can do better yourself. They are also known for coming with bugs in the bag sometimes and being pretty "hot" as in strong for young plants. Most fox farms users will "water down" the soil with about 20% perlite to keep it from being so strong and helping increase root aeration. If you like the Nectar for the gods bottles you know that you don't need a medium that has included nutrients like a soil does. You can use those nectar for the gods bottles very successfully in promix/perlite or probably many other hydroponic mediums. That's what those bottles are for. I wouldn't even say they're really for soil feeding but maybe. I never liked the style of cannabis growing that is basically a hybird of soil growing and hydroponic bottle feeding. I would say do one or the other. Either make a rich organic soil and feed it with just water and amendments or use a sterile medium and feed with bottles. I don't see the advantage of using soil and then guessing when and how much bottle feeding to add. When you feed day one with bottles all of the plants nutrition is in your hands. You can change it or correct problems at will. Soil once made takes that control out of your hands. You can no longer quickly fix a problem. Plus plant science tells me that organic soil feeding is like drip feeding a plant. Your feed rate will be limited by how fast your soil microbes can break down your organic ingredients into pure chemical form that the plant can actually use. When you grow hydro the stuff in the bottle is already in a direct usable form. That's why it's so easy to burn in hydro. If you feed correctly the plant is never in need of any element and can feed as much as fast as it wants. That's the main reason that hydro plants grow in the same time period out yield organic growing by up to 40%.
With a no till setup. Nutrients are broken down 24/7 by its environment and constantly moving through the plants system. The simple reason on why it doesnt burn the plant is that its environment regulates it, causing it to only takes up as much as is needed at any given time. That paired with any way to water you want like flooding, drip systems or even simply hand watered, provides the exact type of effect hydro systems employ which is an over abundance of oxygen to the roots. Amendments do not burn as easily because of its live environment but also because they do not contain a lot of salts and chemicals bottles usually employ. Even with nectar, its all liwuid and readily in an available form, but it is much harder to burn your plants with it. Its because they are made using organic ingredients. Yes, you can burn with it but it takes some effort to do. Ive used about 3x the normal dose in the bottle before i had issues. Chemicals get the job done theyre potent but extremely easy to mess up on. Go a safer route learn more from training and get amazing results for pennies,
I agree with most of what you said but if you really look into it the "bad chemicals" that hydroponic bottles feed are the exact same chemicals that the soil microbes end up processing the amendments into. In other words eventually the organic ingredients end up with the exact same chemicals to feed the plant but they do it in a more natural way. It probably has many advantages that science doesn't even understand at this point. Amendments do not burn mostly because the plant can't take them up in the form that you feed them to the soil in. They are organically locked in a chemical chain that must be broken up before the plant can uptake it hence completely preventing burn. Burn would only occur if the plant had a toxic amount of buildup of any nutrient it can readily use. Pretty hard for that to happen with amendments that are not in a form that can be toxic to the plant.
I think it's a myth that hydro growing is expensive. There's several method cheaper then this one but you can grow lucas formula with Gh flora micro and bloom for very little cost. It's $28 for a gallon of each and in a small scale grow that can last 2 years or more for all your NPK needs. I venture to guess you would spend more then that on accumulating a good amount of soil amendments and products for building the medium. Especially in two years. In DWC I don't even need a medium. I can reuse my gravel any number of times.
I like both extremes, and will forever experiment until I can achieve hydro yield and quality with organic soil and/or supplements. I make medicine, and it only makes sense to make it as clean as I can. But I also have to produce ALOT with my little space. My supersoil is dialed for veg and is even quicker than the Hempy in comparison that was a rooted clone 4 days earlier. Both now 2 ish weeks into flower. I have always lacked the flower power in water only soil. That’s where I’m hoping the Aptus Supplements pick up the slack. Soil2Coco’s Multi Strain Journal
I'm sure there is better. But for a bag mix it's pretty good. Hard to find alot of soil selection. I guess no till works great and is more economical. I just cant do much labor. Hell the frog bags are bad enough Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk