Serious Wilting - Any help?

Discussion in 'Growing Marijuana Indoors' started by Menchville, Aug 4, 2012.

  1. #1 Menchville, Aug 4, 2012
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    What is your experience level? First Timer.

    Your Equipment:
    .1) Type and wattage of lights: 2 90W LED UFO's - 1 240W Blackstar LED Panel
    .2) Distance from tops?6"
    .3) Reflector type? Panel/UFO.
    .4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? Yes.
    .5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan: 1 Carbon Filter Fan/1 Tornado Fan blowing in a 180 degree turn at low setting.
    .6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 420W - 20/4.

    Your medium:
    .7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...) FFOS.
    .8) Size of container. 3G Pot.
    .9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? No.

    Your nutrients and water:
    10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph befor adjusting? Tap, PH 6.8.
    11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...) - Test Kit/Test Strips.
    12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...) - Haven't had to adjust Ph.
    13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. - Not feeding Nutes currently.
    14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? Not sure on exact water amount, I water every 30 - 48 hours.
    15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...) No.
    16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? Stable.
    17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? Ingoing - 6.8 - Runoff - N/A, will update.
    18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? Yes, a light spray with just plain water.

    Your growroom:
    19) Indoors or outdoors? indoors
    20) What size of closet, room or hut? Not sure exact size, decent.
    21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? Lights on: 82 - Lights off: 77
    22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? No.

    Your strain:
    23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) N/A.
    24) From seeds or clones? Seed.
    25) Is this an autoflower strain? No.

    Currently trying not to panic, and am just trying to figure out a answer. I know the many causes of Wilting can be over-watering, Root Rot, and PH lock-outs, and I am not quite sure what to look for on the matter.

    PH seems to be a steady 6.8ish, as you can see on all the info above

    Plant is about 9 - 10 weeks into VEG, 11" tall, from a bag-seed.

    Went from:


    In less then 3 days.

    Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
  2. Anyone care to assist?

    Thank you.
  3. Looks to me like over watering combined with serious nute issues. IMO, it looks hopeless, start a new grow. Sorry bro

  4. Over-watering? To the others in the Sick Forum, they say it looks more like a soil issue instead of a Watering issue.

    There is still plenty of living green on the plant, I won't give up till I find out a solution or it drops over and that is when I will give up.

    Thanks for your advice though, it has been noted.
  5. Anymore help?

    Adding Epsolm Salts/Lime to see if that helps.
  6. #6 xDisciplex, Aug 5, 2012
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    Its way over watered,and its burning from to much nutrients.

    Stop adding shit,,and stop watering.Actually flush first then stop watering,and the next watering or 2 after that no nutrients.Then when ready for nutrients go with 1/4 to 1/2 of what you tried the first time.

    Stop tryn to force nutes into the plant.When your plant is yellowing,and or turning very light green in the new growth.Then it needs food,and then only.

    It will take up to a week for you to notice any recovery.Your way to impatient.I can already see you cutting your shit to early,and drying it to fast,but GL
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  8. What nutes have I added to my plant? I have only fed it once with Fox Farm Trio, you don't have to be rude.

    I don't quite understand how I am trying to "force" nutes into the plant.

    But okay bud, thanks for the "help". :rolleyes:

  9. Read all of those threads already, and many more.

    Bought all of the supplies listed on many different guides, top notch lights and have been reading info every day since I started.

    So please, don't treat me like a idiot.

    I was just asking for help, and I wasn't even being "impatient", I was just seeing if anyone had anymore answers while I researched it myself. Of course I am going to get some things wrong, its my first grow... How do you expect to expand your growing knowledge if you can't even ask questions?

    This problem came out of no where, within a 38 hour period, of course I am going to ask questions to see if anyone has a answer.

    That's what the growing forum is for, isn't it? To learn.

    Thanks though, I guess.
  10. looks like it got way tooo hot. and under or over watering. how often do you water? and what is the run off ph? also ff nutes are pretty strong and can burn them pretty easy but doesnt look like nute burn. nute burn will leave more of a bleached look to it. that looks like the lights are either too close or your temps are over 85F

  11. I am using LED's, and they are about 6 - 8" above it, causing little to no heat.

    The Room temp never reaches about 81, and is normally 75-77 with the new circulating fan on.

    Ever since I swapped to only LEDS, I have had no problem with heat.

    I was watering on average, every 30 - 40 hours, whenever the meter would state that it was dry.

    Not sure what the run off PH is, will check it tommorow if I decide to make a last attempt at a flush.

    if it dies, I will check out the roots to see if it was root rotted.
  12. when i was using coco, i could never get it to dry out right. had shit growth and ended up causing root rot. they would stay wet for about 2 weeks and never got enough air to the roots. when i used 50/50 coco/perlite had much better results watering every couple days. does it seem like they are drying out all the way? i would assume coco, peat moss, and vermiculite you wouldnt need to water it very often at all and would probably not dry out fast enough causing your roots not to be able to breathe
  13. theres a few things you could do to for sure safe the plant... transplant into a pre mixed soil that is known good for mj.. water it once and let it dry out. use r/o water only(buy it if you have to) and raise your lights up to make sure its not burning them from too much light.

  14. You think a transplant at this point would help it?

    I suppose we will see how it looks tomorrow when I wake up, and see if it is in any shape to make the transplant.

    If I think it is, I will make the call and do it, transplanting into Marijuana Friendly Soil that I will pick up at a local Hydro store.

    If not, I suppose I let it run its course and try and prevent it from happening to my 3 auto's that I have in veg currently.

    Thank you for your time!:wave:
  15. I wasnt treating you like an idiot.I told you what was wrong,and you appearently dont want to hear it.

    So if you only fed once you gave to much.

    To be totally honest I expected you to react this way to my help.I would characterize you as unhelpable.Because you either dont take the advice you get,or you get all upset while somone trys to help you.

    As far as the forced nutes it was a general statement.I see 3-5 posts a day just like yours.

    Watering every 30-40 hours is way to much like I said.

    Just makes me wonder how you have 240 posts,and have no clue how to water a plant?

  16. Your post brings a smile to my face, thank you.

    I have had 5+ suggestions, of course I am going to hear all of them before picking one.

    What makes your suggestions better then anyone elses?

    On my other thread, someone said it was a soil issue, on another they said it was a pot issue, and you say its over-nuted/to much water.

    I said thank you for the help, and I will take all tips into consideration before making a final call.

    But let's end it on this, Thank you for your help, I have looked at your response and have made a mental note of it, just as everyone elses. Thank you for taking the time out to post.

  17. A soil or pot issue.Thats quite funny.I cant imagine what "pot" issue would lead to what your plants look like.Cross that guy off your list of helpful people.

    I may have been a bit curt/snide with you.For that I appologize.

  18. Hey all, first time poster here. Love this forum and there's threads I want to jump into all over the place.

    Mench, I had the same thing happen to me on my last grow and while I can't be sure I'd say mine happened due to overwatering. I grabbed some big bags of soil from the lumberyard as my base component (along with perlite, worm castings etc) which had done me well in the past. Unfortunately this time I bought the soil right after some heavy rain and the soil was pretty saturated. I was in a hurry to get things in the ground (never a good idea) and the mix looked rich and damp so I never thought it would be a problem. But the seedlings just looked stressed and small from the very get go, about half just died and half of the survivors turned out to be dudes (from feminized seeds). The rest did recover, though the yield was small and quality was down, and it took a loooong time (5 months in flowering!). I would really let that soil dry out thoroughly, sounds like you only fed once so you shouldn't need to flush it out.
    Also, I just made the switch to LED with my current grow and in researching I learned that you need to water and feed about 30% less than you would with an HID, largely due to the absence of heat from the lamp. I know this is your first grow so you might not have a comparison, so let it get drier than you think it should, even wait until the leaves start drooping a little bit until you get a better feel for it. Plants are generally very hearty and will perk right back up. Good luck to you going forward.

  19. That's what I am hoping for, I am going to stop watering, and maybe a little bit of foilar feeding when lights off, and see if she makes a come back.

    Today, there is no worse change, or better change which might be a good thing seeing as it completely went down hill within the first 48 hours, and no sudden changes have been made in the last 10 hours.

    We hope for the best, expecting the worse!

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