Senators Demand the Military Lock Up American Citizens in a “Battlefield” They Define

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  1. Senators Demand the Military Lock Up American Citizens in a “Battlefield” They Define as Being Right Outside Your Window

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    While nearly all Americans head to family and friends to celebrate Thanksgiving, the Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield - even people in the United States itself.


    Senators need to hear from you, on whether you think your front yard is part of a “battlefield” and if any president can send the military anywhere in the world to imprison civilians without charge or trial.


    The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president-and every future president - the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night's Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.


    The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.


    I know it sounds incredible. New powers to use the military worldwide, even within the United States? Hasn't anyone told the Senate that Osama bin Laden is dead, that the president is pulling all of the combat troops out of Iraq and trying to figure out how to get combat troops out of Afghanistan too? And American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good idea? And why now?


    The answer on why now is nothing more than election season politics. The White House, the Secretary of Defense, and the Attorney General have all said that the indefinite detention provisions in the National Defense Authorization Act are harmful and counterproductive. The White House has even threatened a veto. But Senate politics has propelled this bad legislation to the Senate floor.


    But there is a way to stop this dangerous legislation. Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) is offering the Udall Amendment that will delete the harmful provisions and replace them with a requirement for an orderly Congressional review of detention power. The Udall Amendment will make sure that the bill matches up with American values.


    In support of this harmful bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.” Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”


    The solution is the Udall Amendment; a way for the Senate to say no to indefinite detention without charge or trial anywhere in the world where any president decides to use the military. Instead of simply going along with a bill that was drafted in secret and is being jammed through the Senate, the Udall Amendment deletes the provisions and sets up an orderly review of detention power. It tries to take the politics out and put American values back in.


    In response to proponents of the indefinite detention legislation who contend that the bill “applies to American citizens and designates the world as the battlefield,” and that the “heart of the issue is whether or not the United States is part of the battlefield,” Sen. Udall disagrees, and says that we can win this fight without worldwide war and worldwide indefinite detention.


    The senators pushing the indefinite detention proposal have made their goals very clear that they want an okay for a worldwide military battlefield, that even extends to your hometown. That is an extreme position that will forever change our country.


    Now is the time to stop this bad idea. Please urge your senators to vote YES on the Udall Amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act.




    :eek:This will be used by the drug warriors,,they will just have the military do the busts or arrests where they need time to build their case or if their case is too weak to go to trial,,,or possibly if a person was a political prisoner.
     
  2. what the fuck.... just hope that people will fight back
     
  3. Welcome to the Communist States of America. Look up Naomi Wolf's "End of America". She has a 10 step method that open societies follow to become closed societies. She studied other civilizations and the steps that were commonly followed and that's how she made this method. If this bill is passed, we would be on step 9.
     
  4. ^I've heard about her. She's a bit on spot to be honest. Taken from Wikipedia:


    "-Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
    -Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
    -Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
    -Set up an internal surveillance system.
    -Harass citizens' groups.
    -Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
    -Target key individuals.
    -Control the press.
    -Treat all political dissidents as traitors.
    -Suspend the rule of law."

    This country is going to hell for sure. Carl Levin is a dick along with McCain. Obama administration is threatening to veto it, which is a good thing. One of the first few things Obama might do good.
     

  5. Some of it she may have created, but she's been talking about this for a while and most of her arguments are in her book. That book was written in 2007 and I doubt many people believed her but the country seems to
    Be following those steps.
     
  6. #7 AlienBlood, Nov 28, 2011
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    Fine. There is an increase of domestic terrorists and potential terrorists and it's about time we isolate and eliminate them. I would call my senator and give my support but that limpwristed liberal is lockstep in line with their counterpart the ACLU.
     
  7. Yes, let's give them the power to arrest and detain people without a jury trial (who cares if they're innocent, right?) for being involved in treason. :rolleyes: Might as well go back in time and shoot our founding fathers too. Fuck.
     

  8. Do you really foresee yourself getting involved in treason? I sure hope not and fuck anybody who defends these people, like Bradley Manning. Fuck them straight to hell. The founders would've never dreamed of the amount of maggots we'd have to deal with this day and age. Just look at the Occupy protesters, these pussies complain about pepper spray while people are getting slaughtered in the streets of Syria. I just can't take the ACLU seriously anymore and this is not going to affect anyone except the real shitbags that liberals will defend no matter what. And I laid off the weed a little, I was getting rather paranoid as you might also remember.
     
  9. So your saying let the government turn into a communist one. Your saying fuck freedom and anyone who tries to overthrow the shitty government we have should be killed. We have a right to protest, we have a right to change our government. The government will feed on people like you who think this will help stop terrorism in our country, it won't. It will be the Salem witch trials and McCarthy scare all over again. Anyone who tries to stop our government from taking our civil rights will be labeled a terrorist and will be thrown in jail and killed. It will start with journalists who have breaking news and stories that will encourage revolts, once they are captured people will become fearful of the government and then the communist states of America is born.


    There was a reason the founding fathers gave us a right to protest and they gave us the power to overthrow a tyrannous government
     
  10. The founders were treasonous. Technically I am treasonous just for being a small government person. Furthermore, how can I condemn someone I don't even know is guilty?

    Yes, since pepper spray is better than being slaughtered we should just accept it.
     

  11. Don't be silly. Nobody cares about your small government ideology, you're not treasonous although it might be sexy to tell your gf that. These spoiled brats are pepper sprayed because they are a nuisance to small businesses and the general public, camp out in areas that are strictly forbidden and, finally, willfully defy police orders to vacate the premises, so they get jabbed a little by a baton and sprayed in the face, so what. You don't see what they're doing, but I do. This all goes back to our right to bear arms. They're trying to further sensitize the public to condition them into accepting a European-like society where the police, as well as the general public, are unarmed. I say fuck that, bring out the military and to those who pose a threat to the general public detain them and even waterboard them in certain circumstances. They're called rats and deserve a wake up call.
     

  12. Show me how they're treasonous! Prove it to me!

    Oh wait, you fucking can't because they won't get a trial.

    holy shit you're fucking ridiculous some (all) times.

    We aren't defending people, we're defending the goddamn constitution.

     
  13. Yeah you commies are defending the constitution. Look if I proved it to you you'd say so what, he did the right thing. Again, FUCK anyone who defends these rats. It's not criminal, it's war acts.
     

  14. all those kids were doing was sitting down accross a path at the college they had to go in debt for. spoiled brats? really? most of them apparently have the highest GPA's and have worked harder in life then you have most likely, and are just trying to make a difference.

    I gotta support the occupy movement because there americans. But I think its pointless, there just going to be used by the powers that be in the end.
     

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  16. I thought that the Patriot Actwas suposed to do that. Anyway, there this thing called the Fourth Amendment. If somebody is so obviously a terrorist, a judge will obviously sign a warrant. Anyway, this has a huge potential for abuse, and there's no way it's going to be used to combat "terrorism". Just look at the Patriot Act, they use that shit to circumvent everything. Looking at the number of times innocent Muslims and Arabs were locked up for no reason besides being "suspicious" with the Patriot Act, what kind of idiot would trust the government to implement this law. So called "patriots" like you are a shame to the environment of free speech and dissent imagined by Madison and Jefferson.
     
  17. #18 Spacelee, Nov 28, 2011
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    Ok, enough is enough. You have pulled the race card along with derogatory statements and terms. For instance, you just compared a guy defending the constitution (aka someone who likes limited gov) to a communist, the direct opposite ideology. If your going to argue with someone, just argue their fricking point, don't try to demonize them or dodge the question.

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  18. . just cause pepper spray is non lethal doesn't mean it should be used en mass against ppl asserting their rights in a protest.
     

  19. im not a communist.

    no i wouldn't say so what. you think i honestly believe killing innocents is "the right thing"?! holy shit your blind.

    Again, FUCK you until you actually show me they are rats, or criminals, or committing war crimes.

    Honestly i think you're too blinded to ever listen, you'll be defending them until they arrest you and don't charge or try you, and then you'll probably still support them.
     
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