Senators declare ‘American Experiment’ dead; move to new system of government

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  1. Well at least if the population control begins, my country most likely won't be killed since we're so damn tiny. 22 million aww yeah!
     
  2. The people shouldn't fear their goverment, it is the goverment that should fear their people in which they entrust to keep them in power. in any one time you can crumble a govt. by not abiding by there rules.. Do you think they care. You are not only taxed on your pay check but on all the goods you buy as well that are "taxable" which most everything is that isn't food..You want a revolt that's easy.. are you ready to deal with the ramifications is a better question. You need to bring in a new goverment if you wish to bid this one farewell. What's the plan?
     
  3. Sections in question, (1031 and 1032) if anyone wishes to peruse and try to make sense of this ass wipe we're forced to call "legislation."

    One question which immediately comes to mind: when is Congress going to finally declare we're at war??? Without declaration of war, which used to be required to wage wars, we are not "at war." To the best of my knowledge, no such declaration has taken place in Iraq, Afghanistan, now Pakistan, etc. The military has essentially already become a "police force" rather than a true "military."

    Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

    SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.


    • (a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.

    • (b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

      • (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.

      • (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

    • (c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:

      • (1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

      • (2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).

      • (3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.

      • (4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.

    • (d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

    • (e) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be `covered persons' for purposes of subsection (b)(2).
    SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.


    • (a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-

      • (1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.

      • (2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined--

        • (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and

        • (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

      • (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.

      • (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

    • (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

      • (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

      • (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

    • (c) Implementation Procedures-

      • (1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.

      • (2) ELEMENTS- The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:

        • (A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made.

        • (B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States.

        • (C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation session which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing session.

        • (D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country.

        • (E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.

    • (d) Effective Date- This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.
     
  4. Really, just toss your TV´s. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING else need be done.
     
  5. #45 angusbeef, Nov 29, 2011
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    Are they not talking terrorist??

    You plot on the USA, you should lose your citizenship---and get detained. This is allowing presidents to go into any foreign country and pull another Osama bin Laden type raid on foreign citizens..without, declaring war on the country??

    That's my best take. IDK.

    This new information seems pretty cut and dry to me or am I missing everyone's gripe...?
     
  6. Every law passed since 9/1/1 to "fight" terrorism,such as the "warrentless" search,has been used by the drug warriors.

    Just in the searches,90% of them have been looking for drugs,not bombs.

    It is that we already know they will use and over use every tactic they are allowed.
     
  7. so someone please tell me AGAIN why violence is not a option.
     
  8. I'm not saying violence is not an option, but only after all attempts through reason have been exhausted. It is exactly this exhaustion threshold which causes rational problems.
     

  9. for reason to succeed there need to be a willingness of all parties to listen to reason.
     
  10. [quote name='"maggo"']

    for reason to succeed there need to be a willingness of all parties to listen to reason.[/quote]

    Then this is your threshold:)!
     
  11. Uhhh no. How does watching entertaining tv shows turn me into some kind of mind controlled drone? I'm fully aware that most major news is BS infested.
     

  12. nah, my threshold was crossed 11yrs ago when I was sentenced to prison for growing weed.
     
  13. Fuck america man i just hate this country tbh. No reason to stay
     

  14. HAHAHA you are a funny dude. Really. What do you expect a horde of half armed, half trained and half prepared civilians with 9mm guns, to do against the world's premier (waning for now) superpower that commands an armed forces that contains the strongest army, air force and navy in the world? Not to mention the other branches that the U.S. armed forces have, which could rival other countries military, all on their own.

    Really Americans, you have no chance to takeover your country by means of an armed revolution. If you guys ever tried, you will never try again. Unless civilians have support from the inside, the government won't be taken down by a horde of low class workers.

    If Americans want to change their government, they have to do it with peaceful demonstrations and non violent resistance, very much like how Gandhi led his people to independence from the British. Otherwise, you'll be shot down like flies.

    I hope I'm wrong.
     

  15. There are 20 to 30 million HUNTERS in the US. Our armed populace would have our armed forces stretched past the breaking point, if it truly came to a revolution. Not to mention, the American military has more loyalty the american citizens than to the elite in washington.
     

  16. This boggled my wakeandvaped mind!
     
  17. You left one factor out,,will the American soldiers fight the American citizens or join them?
     
  18. Citizens wouldn't stand a chance tbh. Trained to hunt is one thing, trained to fight is whole different ball game. But i completely agree with that last statement
     
  19. More like a civilian with an automatic weapon, but heres my reasoning:

    1) The whole military isn't going to support the fed, I bet a very small amount would be. The veterans I know are very unhappy with the government, and would put their own people over what some feds want. The military would be split with the majority on the civilian side, if it isn't cut like that then we aren't ready to start an armed revolution.

    2) I fully understand I'd have no chance against a trained squad running up in my house, flash banging me, then shooting. I am not debating that, nor do I think even with an automatic weapon I would win the shootout because I'd be outnumbered and overpowered.

    Would other nations help? I'm not saying they would, I'm actually asking if the people of America revolted, violent or not, would other countries help us?
     
  20. [quote name='"Visionary"']
    Uhhh no. How does watching entertaining tv shows turn me into some kind of mind controlled drone? I'm fully aware that most major news is BS infested.[/quote]

    The point is to remove the fake world presented through tv in all forms. All tv, regardless of how mindlessly entertaining you may find it, is a fake, directed misrepresentation in all aspects of life. You sit their and watch the past, even live, and then they tell you to learn from the past.
    Go figure.
     

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