actually, he is one of the few that is talking sense in this thread. ron paul has a belief on a false deity, which would affect the way he makes governing decisions. Somebody who truly believes in the reality of the golden rule?? and thinks that is an effective way to govern?? i doubt iran worries about a golden rule when they think of americans and israel. narpp!! we cant go doing unto otherss what we don't want done to us
^Lol its only a false deity to YOU man. We live in America, and you and others can't even show religious tolerance? Its our fucking first amendment.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV68z29OZu4]RON PAUL FLIX . COM - YouTube[/ame] this explanation and a 30 year consistent voting record of voting for the constitution and LAW is all any reasonable person needs to understand when looking at this issue. Santorum is a perfect example of how misguided this thread is, but alas, where is a thread dedicated to Santorum?
[quote name='"metalplusweed"'] actually, he is one of the few that is talking sense in this thread. ron paul has a belief on a false deity, which would affect the way he makes governing decisions. Somebody who truly believes in the reality of the golden rule?? and thinks that is an effective way to govern?? i doubt iran worries about a golden rule when they think of americans and israel. narpp!! we cant go doing unto otherss what we don't want done to us [/quote] I don't know if you know this but most leaders of nations believe in some "false" deity. So what if Dr. Paul believes in a higher deity, he is a strict constitutionalist which means he believes in separation of church and state.
Can you present an argument regarding why using a gold and/or silver is not a good idea? I know you enjoy trolling and if that's what you want I will oblige; however, if you actually want to debate like an educated/learned adult, please propose an explicit claim and I will attempt to refute it.
Entire libraries could be filled with the history, theories, positives and negatives associated with the various gold standards. I do not have the time, nor enough knowledge, to sufficiently defend or refute this form of currency in a brief message board posting - but Ron Paul believes that it is the only "moral" form of currency, based on his religious faith. This way of thinking is not befitting the president of a leading world power in the 21st Century, and his beliefs in this matter could very well be only the tip of the iceberg of what other loony religious ideas he has in store for the nation and world should he become president. This is the same man who believes that taxpayer-funded public schools should allow creationism to be taught in the classrooms, if states decide in it's favor.
Really? Is that why he introduced this bill? Ron Paul Introduces Free Competition in Currency Act of 2011 He doesn't limit it to the gold standard. He will allow multiple currencies to compete. You leave it up to the market to decide the winner and even though he believes gold will ultimately come out on top, he isn't not allowing other forms of currency to be tried. Plus, monetary policy is covered in the Constitution and it mentions gold Well, public schools in any state can't teach creationism since that violates the 1st amendment. States are allowed to do whatever they want with powers that aren't assigned to the federal government, as long as they don't violate anything else in the Constitution. Lets say RP actually will allow creationism to be taught in states that want to, that would never ever happen. The legislation would obviously be challenged by the courts and it would be shot down. If you wanna actually fix education, privatize it.
[quote name='"metalplusweed"'] actually, he is one of the few that is talking sense in this thread. ron paul has a belief on a false deity, which would affect the way he makes governing decisions. Somebody who truly believes in the reality of the golden rule?? and thinks that is an effective way to govern?? i doubt iran worries about a golden rule when they think of americans and israel. narpp!! we cant go doing unto otherss what we don't want done to us [/quote] http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/const/ What's that? America has freedom of religion? No way. Btw saying that there's a false deity is as stubborn and assholish as saying that there's only one deity.
He has stated his religous reasons for supporting gold and that, to me, is unacceptable. He's smart enough to cloak his legislation in secular economic language, but it's still his faith that is behind it.
[quote name='"garrison68"'] I disagree with the golden rule, the existence of a god or gods, the holy trinity, divine retribution, the devil, angels, miracles, heaven, hell, saints, prophesies, saviors, sacraments, prayer, original and other sin, baptism, immaculate conception, converting water into wine, vicarious atonement, and just about everything else that this mythical figure represented. Ron Paul, though, seems to agree with all of the above. [/quote] Ya I guess you will learn when your in hell.. I'll be looking down at you from heaven... Laughing
lol I wouldn't go that far. Heaven and hell in the traditional sense most definitely don't exist haha but that's not for this discussion...
You sir need to get over yourself. Even if that is somehow the root of his beliefs, it doesn't fucking matter because it just so happens a gold standard is a great idea lol You even said yourself you are not educated enough to understand what the difference between fiat money and gold backed money is, so you should probably take your religious debate to the S&P section if you aren't going to address economics...
I really wish that I believed in religion these days, because I just want to disassociate myself from the rampant stupidity of atheistkult. Back in the day I used to laugh at the idea of 'atheist fundamentalism', but now that people base their politics entirely on their non-belief, I realize that atheistkult is just as retarded as the christian right.
Yes, people believed that with the advent of Atheism that ignorance found pre-1900 by believers in Religion would be gone. They couldn't have been farther from the truth because they're no different, all its done is transfer over to Atheism. Reminds me of the "Go God Go" episodes from South Park. Cartman goes to the future and everyone is Atheist, only they didn't stop fighting like anti-religion people lead you to believe, they just started killing each other over who's "Science" was the "Right" or "Best Science" lol.
It matters to those of us who see religion as the greatest stumbling block in the history of mankind. You also misrepresented what I said about my knowledge of the gold standard, but that's typical of the losing side. I see this thread as being about Ron Paul's religious beliefs, and how they are involved with his politics. If Ron Paul said that he was opposed to the gold standard, or any other system, due to religious reasons, I'd still be against him - or anybody else who would use religion and the bible as a guide to government legislation. Do you get it yet, or must I make it clearer?
[quote name='"garrison68"'] It matters to those of us who see religion as the greatest stumbling block in the history of mankind. You also misrepresented what I said about my knowlege of the gold standard, but that's typical of the losing side. I see this thread as being about Ron Paul's religious beliefs, and how they are involved with his politics. If Ron Paul said that he was opposed to the gold standard, or any other system, due to religious reasons, I'd still be against him - or anybody else who would use religion and the bible as a guide to government legislatation.[/quote] How did he misrepresent what you said? You said you didn't know the difference between the two types of money, and all he did was restate what you said. Last time I checked Ron Paul hasn't bitched about public schools not being able to say a prayer, unlike Rock Perry who got all butt hurt about it.
Jesus h Christ, some people just keep grasping those last couple straws. What if the gold standard is best morally AND logically? At least you don't even pretend to have anything to say about the gold standard, you just defer to the libraries of information, and assume that because he also has religious reasonings for gold, that this is his main motivation. Like you fucking know anything that's going on in his mind.
So, you're unable to form a cohesive argument even though there is practically no character limit or time limit in an internet forum debate. That is remarkable. Please continue with your trolling. I wouldn't want you to waste any of your precious time actually defending your ridiculous statements. For anyone wondering, there are numerous fallacies in this post alone. First sentence is an appeal to authority and/or an appeal to bandwagon. The second sentence includes an argument from ignorance. The third sentence includes a slippery slope argument. Garrison finally concludes his post with an ad hominem. EDIT: I'm sure a missed a few, so feel free to pick up where I left off.
That is NOT what I said, here's what I wrote: You just don't get it - it's his RELIGOUS reasoning for supporting this that I'm against, it's not even a question of whether gold is right or wrong from an economic standpoint. Well, fortunately, it looks like he will never become our president.