Whether you're left or right wing, you must admit this policy is racist and classist. If you have the freedom to make an assumption based upon the man based upon his ethnic and circumstantial circumstances, be able to search him and make him display papers while the rich, white/black men are free some such discriminatory measures, then you are indeed discriminating against him and treating him with a different set of policies to how others are treated. It's both systemic racism/classism and mandated segregation. Whether it's a good thing is irrelevant, and whether the assumptions upon the man in question is irrelevant. The policy is racist and classist. If that's all good with you and you can justify your racism, then it's a free country and you can vote for such racist bills. But you must admit that it is, in fact, a racist and classist policy. The leader of Arizona should have to admit this to the Hispanic population also. He should have to explain to them this bill, and that it is a bill that is fundamentally racist and classist, one that sets a different standard of law and permits the law to search a brown man but a not white man. I'd imagine that he'd emphasise the 'benefits' of the policy, but he is obliged and I feel required to tell the Hispanic community that they are now being racially discriminated against - but it's all good, because they're not Hispanics, they're aliens... right?
haha, what a predictable statement. Racist and "classist" eh? How is this classist? Do all hispanic people belong to the same "class" as well?
Even Tom Tancredo, yes the guy who wanted to cut off all immigration into the U.S., is worried that this law might go too far, showing how radical this measure really is. He added that Arizona's law is what happens when the federal government fails to act. “States eventually get to the point where if things get bad enough, they'll take matters into their own hands,†he said. “They've taken what we can call an extreme measure."
Abdon better get used of it.. Remember to have your papers or its off to the camp where Fuhrer Joe will deal with you.. Arizona not a good place if you happen to be brown..
You make it rather obvious you haven't read the bill. It's only 17 pages. Read it and then come back.
Are you saying that there are no rich or middle-class Hispanic people? Because as a resident of AZ I'd have to disagree. I personally know a couple different middle class Hispanic families.
I think it's funny how Dickie continues to not cite the actual bill, just repeat "This person said X!" "This person said Y!" "Racism!" "Aparthaid!" "SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!" And yet you still haven't cited one word from the bill to support your cause.
Who is more racist-- those who simply want laws fairly enforced regardless of race, or those that claim all hispanics are poor and lower class and not capable of rising to the middle class by working hard and following the same rules as everyone else?
So, then what is the point? Every objection thusfar raised in this thread has been shown to be entirely without merit or basis in fact.
So this new law isnt the toughest and most biased legislation addressing immigration? No? Really? Before this bill became law, law enforcement could only question about a persons legal status if he or she was suspected in a crime. But now under the new law, police discretion would be promoted to allow an inquiry regarding a persons status if an officer has a "reasonable suspicion" that someone may be in this country illegally, whether or not that person has actually committed a crime. No? Racial profiling is the act of using race as a proxy for an assumption of culpability. And although some in law enforcement have argued that the practice of racial profiling has merit, the truth is that when we focus on what people have done, rather than what they look like, we are obviously far more likely to catch wrongdoing. In Arizona, the ACLU did a study that showed that while African Americasn, Latinos, and Asian Americans are more likely to stopped and searched for suspecion of concealing contraband, whites were actually more likely to be carrying contraband. Whites, including those who identify as white hispanic, officially make up 69.2% of individuals who are arrested for committing crimes in the U.S. To assume or assign culpability based upon any persons racial or ethnic categorization is not only discriminatory and irrational but it is a huge waste of public resources. The truth is, this new law is absolutley about race. "Reasonable suspicion" without specific criteria is an extraordinary thought, and it threatens to violate the personal freedoms that we have left in this country.
Wrong. Before this bill became a law, Valley patrol officers were not permitted to ask residence questions about people's legal residency. Only ICE could handle illegal immigration issues.
Your wrong, before this bill was passed police could only question the person if that person was already a suspect in a crime. They might turn the case over to ICE after, but they could still ask about the persons immigration staus, but only if you were a suspect in a crime. Now they do have the right to ask about immigration status without being a suspect in a crime.
I know police officers who work in the Phoenix metropolitan area. I've heard that they were told by their superiors specifically not to inquire about legal residence status when talking to Hispanic people. Despite what the previous law allows in black and white, local law enforcement policy was basically turn the other cheek and let ICE deal with it.