Rep. Brian Bilbray can spot an undocumented immigrant by their shoes

All of which is happening because these people have no respect for our laws or sovereignty.

Never mind the hateful rhetoric and violence being spread by illegals and their supporters.

Say what? 75% of ARIZONA voted for it! Its so hilarious how you are now trying to blame Republicans (who are out of power) for not having immigration reform when the Democrats HAVE A MAJORITY! Its also a clue as to how full of shit you are. Where is your worries about our laws being broken? Why aren't you worried about Americans being kidnapped and brought in to Mexican violence? Oh no, you don't give a shit about that. All you care about are the people who don't give a shit about you or your country.

 

We fucking brought the violence to them first. We're the ones that started Mexico's straight up war on drugs and supplied them with the guns and money to do it. Of course, after propping these guys up during contentious times with commies. Again, blowback of our intelligence and legisltion is being used to justify more intelligence agency action and legislation. WTF?

This type of drug violence happens anywhere there's a narco-police state. Now back to real immigration problems rather than drug legislation problems that happen to be concerning immigrants.

Policing the people doesn't change any of the ultimate push/pull factors of immigration(or drug use for that matter). There are serious problems that are causing these people to come here. Then there are serious problems exposed in our economy when they do. How is arresting them gonna stop that? When we quit propping up companies with social security subsidies and corporate welfare (you know for being upstanding examples of community and success) while they hire illegals, while continually driving alternative employers out of the market with stupid shit like litter and business-personal property taxes, then we'll see solutions.

Immigration control is a band-aid on a half-severed limb.

 

You're the nitwit. You don't seem to understand the representatives are representing the 75% of Arizonians.

 

Yes I know, its always our fault. You're like a battered wife.

Well,m Obama promised it, Democrats had a super majority and continue to be in power.

No doubt, but again its up to Obama to craft the sensible immigration reform he promised. In the mean time states have to fend for themselves. Maybe this will get the lead out of the dems asses, but probably not since the media is already shilling for them and blaming Republicans.

 

So do you support drug legislation then? You don't believe there are any negative effects on society from drug laws? I believe there are and they greatly outweigh those of the drugs themselves.

Yes, just as I'd expect. I've never said otherwise. Democrats have historically by far been the greatest contributors to the war on drugs. And 'immigration reform' for that matter. While specific state and regional referrendums and votes are heavily decided by Repbulicans, the federal grants and prison legislation by far has a greater sway on the policing of communities. It's almost always the result of private prison lobbying. The greatest growth in the southwest in private prisons are illegals.

I know his "promises." They're bullshit. The only immigration reform that'll ever occur if the current two parties stay in power will be ones that involve policing illegals. They don't want to face the truths, or for that matter announce them to the public. They like the band-aid.

 

This is something that the leglislation of AZ wanted and voted for. AZ's Governer signed the bill. This is what the people of AZ want.

Despite cry's of "racism" and unfairness, the actual bill is not really changing much except for giving more power to the police to control illegal populations. Right now in AZ, if you are stopped by the police and you cannot provide Identification, the police have every right to cite you. This is true regardless of skin color and was in effect long before this bill was signed.

 

I wish people would stop saying this shit. It's not what "the" people want, it's what THOSE people want. A bigot winning an election in some backwater is not an indication about the rest of us any more than a guy winning one senate seat in new england. When something is the result of an action we all got a vote on, then tell me it's what the people want.

 

have you ever gone one post without dropping the race card?

I'd love to see those demographics.

Either Fox is the highest rated cable news channel or they're complete outcasts. Which is it?

Nevermind the answer, they are a "news" network and when they talk about shit, most of the time the other networks pick it up. There was a lot of talk about patriotism that you no doubt conveniently can't remember.


e2: didn't we have a war over some shit half of us were down with that we now realize was immoral and dispicable? "what the people want" can be wrong.

 

All of what you've said is moot because these things can only be done during lawful contact and/or lawful detainment.

Basicly, any circumstance where a cop can check people's IDs for warrants he can now also check for immigration status.

Let's be clear, the law does not permit random stopping of individuals to check their immigration status. Just as LEOs are not permitted to randomly stop individuals and ID them for warrant checks.

Reasonable suspicion is a technical legal term, and is the minimum threshold for most forms of lawful contact.

The potential chilling effect on reporting of crimes is also a moot point. Many persons in America have warrants out for their arrest, or are engaged in otherwise illegal activities, and yet we do not porhibit police from doing warrant checks... even though that might deter them from reporting crimes. Additionally, being arrested and deported is one of the risks a person willingly takes on when they enter the United States illegally.

Being present in the United States illegally is a crime, those that do so are criminals. If a spouse is being abused by her husband, calls 911, and it is determined that she has an arrest warrant out she will be arrested. If you call 911 because someone steals your marijuana plant, the cops will arrest you (in most places).

I don't understand why you are advocating giving certain classes of criminals special treatment under the law. If the Constitution requires equal protection and treatment, then criminal illegal aliens should be treated as other criminals are treated.

The law takes significant steps to target the violent criminal element that preys upon America. If you'd read the text of the law instead of relying on biased pro-illegal-amnesty (so they can vote Democrat) media reporting you would know this.

 

For those interested in the whole text of the bill, go here:

Be a think-for-yourselfer instead of allowing the State Run Media to think for you.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf (PDF Warning, google link to view as HTML)

Some key language:

Explicitly barring rational profiling

As for the whole issue of "SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!"

All that is being done is re-iterating as a state law the already existing federal law that a legal alien (of any sort, there are a whole catagory of legal aliens) is required to have on their person, at all times, certain federally issued ID. The federal government already requires this.

The likely policies to be implemented around the state will probably be as follows, and would be perfectly legitimate:

1) In all situations where the ID of an individual is to be verified, their citizenship status is also to be verified

or alternatively

2) In all situations where an individual is actually arrested and charged with some other crime, as part of establishing their identity their citizenship status is to also be established

Both are perfectly valid, since in both instances you are lawfully under the supervision of a LEO. In the first you are being lawfully detained, and in the second you are formally arrested. Both policies would be after-the-fact policies, which ensure they are applied uniformly as a normal part of police procedure and thus are not racial profiling.


If the federal government would simply enforce the laws on the books and seal the border this wouldn't even be an issue. The issue is ultimately that Obama refuses to enforce laws equally against people of one skin color.

If you dislike this law (for whatever reason, I've yet to hear an actual valid objection) then make sure to blame Obama. His failure to execute the duties of the Office of the President are solely responsible.

 

This law sets a precedent to arrest someone just based on how they look, and it sets a precedent of requiring someone who is not doing anything wrong to prove that they aren't rather than putting the impetus on the police to prove that they are doing something wrong.

Maybe Obama will use it as a precedent to establish similar laws nationwide.

In the last few years there has been a rash of rightwing political violence (Scott Roeder, Jim David Adkisson, just to name two) and threats of violence against the President.

Maybe Obama can get a law passed that will profile rightwing extremists based on what they look like, what clothes they wear, and arrest/detain them if they aren't able to prove at the time of their arrest that they aren't planning some political violence.

In that way, it's a great law really...

 

Hypocrisy?

 

No. It does not. I just cited to you specific text from the bill that proves you entirely and totally wrong.

Please provide me actual citations from the text to support your point, or please admit you were (and are) wrong.

If you need to lie to make your point, your point probably isn't worth making.

 

Where does it set that precedent?

 

Does this mean that you have to have your passport on you at all times? What documentation is acceptable?

 

No, it doesn't. The liberals are lying to try and scare monger.

When they have neither facts nor law on their side, they just make shit up.