Will March 19 'Supermoon' Trigger Natural Disasters? - Yahoo! News On March 19, the moon will swing around Earth more closely than it has in the past 18 years, lighting up the night sky from just 221,567 miles (356,577 kilometers) away. On top of that, it will be full. And one astrologer believes it could inflict massive damage on the planet.
What he said It's no more than a couple of kilometers, and it happens regularly, this is just the closest recently. Japan earthquake and tsunami: Was today¿s natural disaster caused by 'supermoon'? | Mail Online quote: "...Furthermore, the moon is currently at its furthest point - or apogee - from Earth so cannot have had any effect on today's Japanese earthquake, they argue. But U.S. astrologer Richard Nolle, who coined the term 'supermoon' in 1979, is convinced that lunar perigees cause natural disasters on Earth.' An astrologer. Not a scientist, or even an alien love child or seer. Just Mr Nolle, who is apparently 'convinced'. MelT
The moon has an effect on tides...fact. Will this full moon bring with it "catastrophic" tides? I doubt it. If the last time it was this strong was 18 years ago then there should have been massive tides back then. Dismissing this a priori seems daft. If you live next to the coast keep an eye out for the weather because storms have the potential to accentuate tides. I do however think that this full moon is coinciding with the first peak of this 9th wave and I see major changes in the period between 18th-20th March. So who knows. Our bodies are mostly water so who knows what changes this will lead to within ourselves.
(I put this on everything I love) I was leaving my friends house, As I was walking down the street (BTW It was a cold beautiful night, The stars and moon were shining brighter than usual) I got a sudden rush of happiness out of nowhere Then I turn around and seen the moon and smiled. And continued my way.(I don't know why my first reaction was to smile)? You may think I'm crazy (don't care) But I know I got some kinda connection with the moon. This has happened for awhile (a few years now) like I just get a positive, energetic rush of energy. But IDK I'll find out more later.
In a full moon we see the reflection light from the sun. Just the right wavelength to bring subtle changes. Same as sun gazing.
"...Psychologist Ivan Kelly of the University of Saskatchewan (with James Rotton and Roger Culver) did a meta-analysis of thirty-seven studies that examined relationships between the moon's four phases and human behavior in 1996. The meta-analysis revealed no significant correlation. They also checked twenty-three studies that had claimed to show correlation, and nearly half of these contained at least one statistical error...." MelT
So basically one guy 15 years ago done some scientific experiments. This guy is the mankind's most knowledgeable person on the subject of the moon's effect on the brain. This same scientist is using the top science available, and since these 15 years have elapsed, science has made no significant advances in the field of brain monitoring. The same scientist, the maximum authority on the subject then checked the work of another 23 "minor" scientists who also studied the same phenomenon. Half of these contained one or more errors. Thus meaning that half of the studies showed correlation and no errors. So instead of acknowledging that half of the studies showed correlations and no errors, he instead emphasizes the failed studies. I wonder what developments those "minor" scientists have discovered in the last 15 years and how much misinformation they have had to put up with.
Ahhh, DT, Not quite. These three scientists took a look an objective look at 37 other studies that had been done up until that time on moon correlations, as researched by tens of other scientists. Not one guy, that would be silly, now wouldn't it? Just him deciding by himself would be pretty pointless, it wouldn't be a scientific process. No, they simply grouped together the data from other scientists and said what that data represented. There was no room for personal interpretation, they simply said what it all showed - none of the usual claims about the effectof the Moon seem to exist. I'm not sure why you think that what I've posted above is representative of the entire corpus of learning regarding what the moon does and doesn't do? It's an interesting study, but just oneof many. I thought it worth posting to show that most of the so-called effects of the moon don't exist at all. There are modern studies too, and some earlier,by a range of different people. For example: 1) "...In a study published by Epilepsy & Behavior,[4] Sallie Baxendale and Jennifer Fisher of University College London hypothesized that if the moon phase were influential on epileptic seizures that this would be due to the moon's contribution to nocturnal illumination, rather than its waxing or waning state, and that significant correlations would not be apparent if local cloud cover were controlled for. A significant negative correlation between the mean number of seizures and the fraction of the moon illuminated by the sun (ρ = -0.09, P < 0.05) was found in 1571 seizures recorded in a dedicated epilepsy inpatient unit over 341 days. This correlation disappeared when the local clarity of the night sky was controlled for, suggesting that it is the brightness of the night and the contribution the moon phase makes to nocturnal luminance, rather than the moon phase, that may influence the occurrence of epileptic seizures.(see below too). 2) A study of 4,190 suicides in Sacramento County over a 58-year period showed no correlation to the phase of the moon. A 1992 paper by Martens, Kelly, and Saklofske reviewed twenty studies examining correlations between Moon phase and suicides. Most of the twenty studies found no correlation and the ones that did report positive results were inconsistent with each other.[5] 3) Psychiatrist Arnold Lieber of the University of Miami reported a correlation of homicides in Dade County to moon phase, but later analysis of the data — including that by astronomer George Abell — did not support Lieber's conclusions. Kelly, Rotton, and Culver point out that Lieber and Carolyn Sherin used inappropriate and misleading statistical procedures. When more appropriate tests were done, no correlation between homicides and the phase of the moon was found. 4) Astronomer Daniel Caton analyzed 70,000,000[6] birth records from the National Center for Health Statistics, and found no correlation between an increased birth rate and the full moon phase. Kelly, Rotton, and Culver report that Caton examined 45,000,000[citation needed] births and found a weak peak around the third quarter phase of the Moon, while the full moon and new moon phases had an average or slightly below average birth rate. 5) In 1959 Walter and Abraham Menaker reported that a study of over 510,000 births in New York City showed a 1 percent increase in births in the two weeks following the full moon. In 1967 Walter Menaker studied another 500,000 births in New York City, and found a 1 percent increase in births in the two-week period centered on the full moon. 6) In 1973 M. Osley, D. Summerville, and L. B. Borst studied another 500,000 births in New York City, and they reported a 1 percent increase in births before the full moon. In 1957 Rippmann analyzed 9,551 births in Danville, PA and found no correlation between the birth rate and the phase of the moon.[7] 7) A fifteen month study in Jacksonville, Florida revealed no lunar effect on crime and hospital room admittance. In particular: There was no increase in crime on full moons, according to a statistical analysis by the Jacksonville Police Department. Five of the fifteen full moons had a higher than average rate of crime while ten full moons had a lower than average rate. The higher-than-average days were during warmer months. Statistical analysis of visits to Shands Hospital emergency room showed no full moon effect. Emergency room admissions may have more to do with the day of the week.[8] Further research may provide further clarification on the lunar effect and what aspects of human behavior and physiology may or may not be affected..." There's a lot more. Tens of people have looked for effects over the years. The only ones we can truly say exist are very minor. This is one: "...Some researchers have studied positive correlations between physiological changes such as induced seizures in epileptic patients and non-epileptic subjects, and the full moon period. A 2004 study found a statistically significant correlation between the lunar effect and hospital admissions due to gastrointestinal bleeding, particularly among males...." It seems to be a real effect, and hopefully other studies will bear it out, but it's not exactly world-shattering once we remove all the other myths from the list. Do you seriously, seriously believe that there is somebody ('science' in some form) out there putting out 'misinformation' about the effects of the moon? Really? Naaaaaaahhhhh MelT
Ahh MelT...the master of logical fallacies. Ad Hominem (the argument against the man) Attacking the person's character instead of attacking the argument. I'll group all these together, same concept. Post Hoc Ergo Procter Hoc (After this, therefore, because of this) Logical fallacies aside... Study (1). A period of 351 days. Too short a period, the moon orbits in an eliptical shape. The average distance from Earth to Moon is 384,403 km (238,857 miles). At its closest point, known as the perihelion, the Moon is only 363,104 km (225,622 miles). And at its most distant point, called aphelion, the Moon gets to a distance of 406,696 km (252,088 miles). It takes about a year to go from perihelion to aphelion and back. Let's not bother with the tilt of the Earth, or even the relation of the sun in all of this. Study (2) 58 years is a much better time-scale. However there are many socio-environmental factors that would affect the outcome. Study (3) So the phases of the moon does not affect homicide rates, I must thus assume that it affects nothing else. Studies (4) & (5). Doesn't affect birthrates. Ok...the thread is about the effect of the moon on earthquakes, but ok, let's cite birth rates. (6) (7) ad nauseam. When the moon is above Moscow the land rises about 300mm. Who knows what effect this full moon will have on plate tectonics. An interesting article "predicting" the Indonesian tsunami based on moon, sun, earth axis. ::: Journal of Astrology :::
I love the moon, especially when its really bright and full. It gives me this happy nostalgic feeling whenever I see it. And I'm pretty sure I do too man, I see where you're coming from. Lately I've had the same rush of energy whenever there's been a full one. The last one (Feb 18th or something?) led to a crazy spiritual mental revelation that led to the understanding that thoughts are just distractions from what is.
From the journal of astrology...puh-lease... Your argument above is one of the most hilarious attempts at sounding smart I've ever heard. Attacking 'just the man' would imply that no actual evidence was given, and that's really not the case, is it? Go on, you must be able to do better than this? The JOA? From the rest of the article concernng the moon over Moscow, the moon has the same effect on all land and always has done, but the effect is miniscule. If there were a special effect that were creating large earthquakes then we would have massive events every single month. "...The moon distorts the liquid sphere of our planet only a tiny amount, less than 500 mm, and the resultant earth tides are measurable even in the middle of the largest continent (When the moon is over Moscow, the land rises about 300-mm). The tides rise and fall about the same amount in the middle of the ocean with no land around. When the land rises, the sea also rises, but not as much. When the moon passes directly overhead, the land rises more than the sea, and the sea drains away. The difference in rise between the land and the sea determines the local tidal height..." While we're on, I keep forgetting to mention the biggest myth, that because we're mostlywater, we too must be affected by the Moon's pull. A fallacy, for this to take place we would need a miniscus, like a 'skin' on a pond of water. People don't have a minisucus. I just found this, no evidence to back it up yet, I'll let you know: "...If anything the Moon prevents rather than causes earthquakes. Earthquakes occur when there is no relative movement for a sustained period causing a build up of pressure which must eventually be released in a sudden movement. The repeated joggling of the plates caused by tidal forces helps to prevent such jams occurring, in favour of more gradual and therefore less harmful movement." MelT
Ad lapidem (throwing stones) Dismissing a statement as absurd without giving reason why it is absurd. The article is about a team of research scholars of the Department of Applied Geology, University of Madras. Ahh MelT. You feel the need to poke fun at my intelligence? I'm merely pointing out logical fallacies. They say a sign of intelligence is to be able to entertain both sides of an argument objectively. I can thus assume by your lack of objectivity your lack of intelligence. Ad Hominem (the argument against the man). Attacking the person's character instead of attacking the argument. What you are saying is because this Noelle guy is of 'doubtful science' thus his theory is of doubtful integrity. Galileo was once 'convinced' that the world was round. where do I start? Maybe I should colour the whole thing red. Another example of logical fallacies. Post Hoc Ergo Procter Hoc (After this, therefore, because of this). Because there is a full moon every month, there should be natural disasters every month. As there are no natural disasters every month the moon does not have an impact on disasters. For that statement to be true we would need to assume that the moon was at a circular orbit around Earth, and that the Earth did not revolve on an axis. Now I am not usually a fan of quoting myself, as I would simply invite you to scroll up... So while you are correct in noting that there is a full moon every month, the position of the moon in relation to Earth is not the same on a month to month basis. Also, because the Earth is tilted on it's axis, when the moon is at it's closest to Earth it will not always be above the same place. Next you may want to consider the implications the sun has in this. If the moon is between the Earth and the sun it will have a different effect than if the Earth were between the Moon and the Sun. From the astrology site you could have gathered this. Venkatanathan explained that the prediction was based on a novel method developed by the team. According to the method, when two or more planets, Sun and the Moon get aligned more or less in line (0 to 180 degree) with the earth it could affect the angular momentum of the earth and decrease the speed of rotation of the earth which could trigger an earthquake. He said the success of the prediction rate achieved so far was around 75 to 80 per cent within a time-frame of plus or minus three to four days. But hey, if it's easier to roll your eyes You start off with a logial fallacy, and then throw some true facts in to justify that fallacy. I think I am going to roll my eyes too You may want to expand your fallacy driven logic to exploring surface tension. The gravitational pull of the moon joggling plates, we're getting there...kind of what that Noelle guy is saying. What if that release of tension comes in the form of earthquakes?
It doesn't really matter how far or close the moon is because its not far enough to change its gravitational pull significantly.
Such a waste of writing. See, what you aren't getting is that this is because you haven't read my posting properly, again, and actually that you're wasting your time. My list posting wasn't about the moon and its effect on the earth, we already know that it does affect the planet - but not people to the extent claimed. Can you show where I was talking about the moon and geology in it, anywhere? But on the other hand, can you point to places where I talked about things like birth rates and madness? I think you should be able to. What the list showed was in fact that there are a number fallacies about the moon, regarding births, violence and a number of other things that are untrue whcih I posted for general interest. But what did you say about that one? That is was a study by 'just one man' who obviousy knew nothing about science or the Moon, who you continued to belittle for some reason and said 'his' study was fairly meaningless. That wasnt true though, was it? In fact, as my reply said, it covered 37 studies by tens of people, but you managed to miss that in your haste to rubbish it. I was writing about things like the alleged effect on madness, etc., not geology. How did you manage to so completely misunderstand? My other posting certainly was an article about the effects of a so-called 'Supermoon' on the earth. No evidence for it, it's one man's theory and the article gave reasons why it wasn't true in this case - and exactly why the Japanese earthquake wasn't caused by our moon. If you want to debate that one you need to speak to the scientists who say it's not true. Notice the mention of the miniscus in my previous post? Anything to do with geology? No, Moon myths. As for it being personal attack, not at all. I see it this way, if I were to want to learn information I go to a reliable source. If a source doesn't seem reliable - say like known hoaxer Dannion Brinkley, whose idea much of this current daftness over 2012 is about - then why on earth should I pretend that I think they are reliable and accept information from them? Who speaks is just as important as what they say. To not look at the background and motives of people who create rumours about things like 2012 would be ludicrous. I can't believe anyone who talks about the 'ninth wave' and ascension as though they're real when there's no evidence other than what hoaxers have produced. It doesn't give me faith in them as an objective person, or as a source of credible information. Now, we can come back to why I posted in the first place, which I'm still really interested in hearing you talk about, as you're making quite a claim. You earlier made the statement that: "I do however think that this full moon is coinciding with the first peak of this 9th wave and I see major changes in the period between 18th-20th March. So who knows. Our bodies are mostly water so who knows what changes this will lead to within ourselves." There's hardly any effect of the moon on the human body, and none that we can find on the mind (yet, of course) What does the ninth wave affect then? What proof do you have for a peak in anything? Who, a reliable source, said it has peaks? How do you 'see major changes'? Are you claiming to be seeing the future? MelT