Are atoms the only thing that can create something? I am thinking about Probability & Chance. "From "nothing" comes something." This always puzzles me because there's no fucking answer!! So let me show you what I was thinking, so you can see why I am asking this. Our first probability was exist or do not exist. 50-50. "nothingness" vs nothing. Okay, so since we are here, nothing was chosen. Now that we have nothing, something can come from this. Also, this nothing is different from "nothing" because "nothing" has nothing, no color, no atoms, nothing...you cant even picture true "nothingness." So here is where my question comes. If we have nothing, could the smallest thing inside an atom, be the only thing that comes from nothing? Also, while I am baked and into this thread already I have an idea on time. Time is a constant. Before anything existed, Time did not exist so time was 0. But once something existed, time began. Look at time in secs. It started from 0 then started, starting with 1. Time is going 0+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8....to infinity, which is why I believe an actually infinity and potential infinity do exist. (note to add; if the universe is ~14.8, then find that in secs, and that's how far you are away from 0, or the beginning of something) There was no "time" before time, there wasn't X amount of years before this happened. Time is only used for how long we HAVE been in existence, not how long we weren't in existence. Thoughts? Add: Could empty space just be nothing not yet something?
Time is a constant. Before anything existed, Time did not exist so time was 0. But once something existed, time began. Look at time in secs. It started from 0 then started, starting with 1. Time is going 0+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8....to infinity, which is why I believe an actually infinity and potential infinity do exist. (note to add; if the universe is ~14.8, then find that in secs, and that's how far you are away from 0, or the beginning of something) There was no "time" before time, there wasn't X amount of years before this happened. Time is only used for how long we HAVE been in existence, not how long we weren't in existence. Thoughts? Time did not exist so time was 0. Maybe, but dont get it confused with our concept of time.
But what is this "nothing" before "something" formed out of it? Where does ether come from? What exactly is it? I believe you can form atoms out of the ether, that's where they derive from, ether being a finer type of energy is somehow used to create sort of a vortex within the fabric of "space" this vortex concentrating itself to a point extremely small almost like wrinkles in time, so fucking small we cannot start to imagine. Now this ether which is force energy must be directed by something of mind-substance or else it wouldn't animate itself, something has to give it direction. Mind-substance controls force energy controls matter And when you really think about it all of these things are from the same fucking source, there is only one source manifesting in an infinite amount of ways, its like "God" is playing with his own light I guess when you think about all the possibilities of the universe if you were to manage to go outside of the universe you would probably come to understand some serious shit because you would be able to observe it as if it was an apple, and if you go back far enough or are really big the universe would be a single point and here we start talking about dimensions concerning time, it NEVER STARTED and WILL NEVER END- eternal if your talking about time as in duration as in seconds that's just our system of keeping count of the duration we experience, broken down to fit the planetary rotation and revolution, without any mass, or planets or gravity what the fuck would time be?
All time is is how far we are away from 0, or nothing. I used Time in secs as an example to show the increasing value of time. Time is just 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11....all the way until right now, this very present moment. Time is not X amount of years, days, secs, it is the "number" away from the starting point. Can someone tell me why you are bothering to even post in this thread?
Well, I believe the smallest subatomic particles pop in and out of existence randomly (saw it on the science channel, Michio Kaku). I'm not sure if that is theory or fact, but if that's true I would say yes. Though there isn't really a tangible 'nothing', it would just be a smaller or different variation of 'something'.
1. Well we first have to agree that "nothing" actually existed. "Something" is colorless, no light, no atoms, nothing, but it has the absent of color. From there dark comes light. 2. Once again, then we must agree that there is an outside to this universe. As for as we know, this universe could possibly be infinite in space, or it has a limitless area for "something" to exist. 3. Time started at the creation of our Universe. Once started, I think time is a potential infinite. 4. Like i just said, the seconds was an example. I was simply showing how to get time down to an easier way of understanding. Time is the amount away from the starting part, so example we are 4.667328x10^17 away from the starting part. This is why right here and now, is the experience of eternity. So many people think of our universe on a time line, saying "Well it started here, so there had to have been a time before here." No! There was no "Time" before Time, people need to stop thinking of Time as a negative/positive scale. THERE WAS NO TIME BEFORE TIME.
But if there was no time prior to the creation of our universe how could the universe be created? Rather, how is time created without time to create it?
MIND FUCK maybe because we only perceive time a certain way dimension wise lets try to think of time becoming as energy condensed into matter and matter condensed to slow vibrations thus creating the effect of duration slower vibes = feels slower because well it is moving slower higher vibes = feels faster because well it is moving faster thats why the illusion of time manifests itself, it "FEELS" like its been 5 min. im not too sure though, i need more input lets keep these ideas rolling people fatblunts ima get back to you
Or... think of it this way, if there was nothing, what would there be? Close your eyes and picture nothingness, not you, the room, nothing, what is there? nothing, I swear you will go crazy if you do it to long, but it may be an eye opener for you.
Observers as in what? Conscious entities or bodies relative to space? Doesn't a rock observe time? If a universe sits within a universe (eg is created within a universe) wouldn't there be two separate states of time?
The idea of nothingness is a paradox because as humans we can not fully understand what it would be like for there to be a lack of space in an area. But yes it is true that the unviverse made the decision to exist over not to exist, but is its existence limited or is it just never ending? The world may never know.
No, time is an illusion, a thing that doesn't exist. We made up time to help us keep track. See by observing, you create the illusion. Not saying time travel is impossible though, I have my own theory of time travel in my journal somewhere.
Exactly. The only way to think around that would to argue that there is no "time" as such, more one moment that has been occurring since the creation of the universe and as the universe expands that moment is playing out and will eventually cease when/if the big crunch occurs. Time is our way of making sense of things and putting them in order, but it is merely a concept and to creation time is not relevent.
Time doesn't exist. It's just a unit of measurement like inches or meters. It's just a tool used to quantify something you cannot put your hand on to accurately communicate to others. I think the universe always has been. I don't ever believe their was a nothing period or a point where nothing exist.
ok so then as atoms manifest from an energy vibrating alot faster, as the energy itself starts to slow its vibrations to a certain point the atoms/energy/matter come to a point where they become very gross, just as we know matter today as gas liquid solid, and it is at this point of vibration that duration ensues and is perceivable at least by my human mind, because i am made up of the same things that vibrate more or less the same, gas liquid solid and i absorb and excrete gas liquid solid. isnt it a coincidence how matter has manifested into these three states? and we are made up of the same thing, and we use the same stuff to keep our bundle of gas liquid solid going. but we also need fire no? i think when you combine these three elements with fire you get life and that fire is the energy that keeps us from just giving up, our will to live, the burning desire for something greater. but these elements cant just form with no direction, they need a code, a sequence, a rhythm, a beat to bounce to, a guiding light, i have no idea what im saying anymore you need some form of memory or a way to house them or manifest them to even consider a concept such as time, without the knowledge of a past point as in without something to compare this instant to there would only be living in the moment you wouldnt be able to progress or learn with nothing to compare the situation at that very moment to a past or similar one, because you have no memories. with one point you have nothing, with two you can see that one happened and then the other happened in sequence and it doesn't matter how small or big that point is you just need two. time has a purpose, things learn with time, our universe learns with time, time is nothing unless you have two points to connect to, so maybe the "time before time" is just a single point, and then there was two, i think like what your saying with the numbers fatblunts makes sense. this is my conclusion, the universe is a conscious in itself, full of mind-substance, before the bing bang the universe was not conscious everything was a single point, as it keeps growing so do the points and so does the conscious. the universe is a housing of life and energy vibrating at a certain frequency i have no idea what im saying im so fucking tired, dont completely flame me for this one, these are unorganized thrown thoughts
for time to be time you need two points, and thats it. if you have one point then there is only that one point, with two or more points you can distinguish between them, you can relate them, you create a past and present and with that you can imagine a future