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Real Discussion on Tolerance

Discussion in 'Seasoned Marijuana Users' started by TheSublimeIbis, Nov 29, 2012.

  1. Hey Blades,

    after arguing with a friend today about what a tolerance is, I have realized one thing.. I know nothing. I was under the impression that a tolerance is the gradual resistance to a drug that is built up over a time period of recurrent, habitual use, that requires the user to use more of the drug to achieve the desired effect.

    However, my friend was arguing that quite the opposite is true. That habitual smokers actually need less of the drug to get higher, and that if you have a high tolerance, you actually get less high by smoking more.. I thought the same thing you're thinking.. NO WAY.

    But after doing some research, and conferring with my college-level Psychology Book, I'm starting to think she was onto something?

    Here's the excerpt from my book:

    "Unlike alcohol, which the body eliminates within hours, THC and its by-products linger in the body for a month or more. Thus, contrary to the usual tolerance phenomenon, regular users may achieve a high with smaller amounts of the drug than occasional users would need to get the same effect."

    This can't be right, can it? It just seems like as an actual smoker, this claim is unfounded.

    Also, this source seems to confirm the claims made in my Psych book, although it's not the most credible source. MARIJUANA & THE BRAIN, PART II: THE TOLERANCE FACTOR

    Can anyone shed some light on what's REALLY going on with tolerance?
     
  2. You were right the first time
     
  3. Then why we feel more resistant to weed when smoking regularly? I was a almost daily smoker for a month and I noticed that weed was less effective with each use.

    Interesting topic. :)
     
  4. #4 stevizzy, Nov 29, 2012
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    I had a 20+ year tolerance break due to my flying career as a pilot. When flying was over and I retired for health reasons and lost my medical certificate to fly a jet, someone offered me a hit of what I'd call dank weed. I thought I was going to loose it. Had I not known better, I would have sworn the weed had some "additive" similar to LSD. It didn't. I was very very uncomfortable for the rest of the evening. Now, fast forward 2 years.....I can smoke that same weed everyday and it seems like good, no, excellent weed, nothing else. No....I don't have any left after all that time but the person who grew it said it was nothing special, just high quality dank weed. I haven't ever been that stoned on weed since.

    It wasn't worth 20 years of a T Break to get that sensitive to pot, but I'd say it was a typical situation where being totally clean for all that time had it's temporary benefits.

    I wasn't willing to risk a good career that I loved to get high....I can smoke all I want now. I just wish I could still get in a Jet and fly again someday.
     
  5. #5 Dro man, Nov 29, 2012
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    Idk scientifically speaking but every single regular toker on this site would completely disagree no matter how much scientific proof you had because we all know the longer and more you smoke. The more bud you are goin to need to get high.

    It would be so sweet if you had reverse tolerance though i would only need the tiniest little puff at this point amd i woukd be high as a kite

    *edit*. Obviously the guys that produced this book have never done any kind of drug. Out of all the drugs ive done have not ran across a single one that when i used i would need less each time
     

  6. All hormones, and other chemicals that effect any chemical receptor have some sort of use and all get built into a tolerance. When you walk into a restaurant, you can smell all the aromas, the chefs with the steaks etc. But after just 15-20 minutes you are immune to the smell. No, it did not leave, your brain just decided to ignore those chemicals for a period of time, so that you can smell the less environmental smell. If a dog is left with coffee around him, his nose will temporarily just ignore the coffee etc.

    Eyesight is another thing. But if it is a chemical that is an agonist or antagonist of any receptor of any cell, remember all cells in your body contain your full genome, but because of positions of proteins only that cell's part of the DNA is "on" and any chemical that effects that part of the DNA will in turn effect that cell. Something along those lines. But so that a single smell, like the inside of your nose's smell, or other chemical is left used for so long your body just ignores that so that other chemicals that need to be seen can do so.

    So yes you do build a tolerance to Cannabis's cannabinoids, but alcohol I am afraid not. Alcohol is a neurotoxin. Alcohol keeps the neuron(our nerves) from receiving the electrical or chemical signal, thus intoxifying us. Besides that alcohol is a toxin, just like other toxins we like to eat, it isn't lethal in low dosage, but once a certain dosage is reached you reach a point called "alcohol poisoning." Cannabis(from a 1974 DEA study) takes 24,000 pounds of smoking(in 15 minutes) to overdose on THC, before that you will reach:
    lack of oxygen
    suffocation
    cellulose poisoning(like eating too much lettuce)
    over-sedation from other cannabinoids
    and many other things.

    So in blatant terms you can overdose on cannabis, but tell me when have you ever smoked an ounce in 15 minutes, let alone 24,000 pounds? Eating reduces it to 15,000 pounds. Harm from cannabis starts from either starting young where the developing brain doesn't get to finish it's growth or using too much. Too much would be in the course of depending on your tolerance and lifestyle anywhere, but a safe bet would be just like alcohol, even though alcohol is more damaging in every way, only smoke when you're not going to harm others(driving, etc), or yourself(young.)

    Too much chemically would be one ounce a week all the way to 240,000 pounds a week, the amount is unknown. Kind of a laughable matter.
     
  7. I don't think tolerance is due to the build up of THC. I'm about a good 260, have about 50/50 muscle fat ratio, and am 6'6". I could smoke for a whole month, build up a tolerance, quit for a week, and then get just as high as I did the very first time.

    Also THC doesn't build up in your system, the metabolite is what builds up in your system, and the metabolite is what is being tested when you take a drug test. If THC built up, we'd get super high ever time we burned off some fat.
     

  8. Yes, it is due to the body just ignoring the chemicals. 50/50 fat ratio is horrible, I am sure you did some bad calculations. Above 23% is dangerously unhealthy for men.
    Body Fat Percentage Calculator
    6'6" and 260 isn't bad, it's maybe 20-30%, not 50 lol.. 50 is 300-400 pounds, not 250.
     

  9. I don't really know my BMI, I was just giving my best guess. I just know I'm roughly 260, and a good 6'6". I've got some fat, but nothing that can't be burned off through some good exercise. :confused_2: I'd say I'm mostly healthy though.

    I just calculated it, it's about 22%. That's about where I've been my whole entire life, even when I was on a regular exercise routine. I guess that's not too bad.
     




  10. All the books and sources in the world won't stack up to personal experience, and the experience of literally every marijuana smoker I have ever known (myself included) is that tolerance increases based on how much/how often you smoke.

    It would be great if I could smoke a lot and suddenly get high off of less weed, but that's just not the case.
     
  11. I personally don't believe in the tolerance thing. I just believe it all depends on the kind of weed you are smoking. But I agree with the fact that you build up a tolerance to a point where if you smoke a lot, there is a maximum high you can achieve and any smoking after that doesn't get you higher but makes you less high. You reach a maximum high and anything after that either makes you feel sick or just helps you maintain that high. But yeah, like I said I don't believe that over time you get less and less high. I used to think I had really high tolerance for the longest time until one day I picked up some dank ass shit from my dealer and it sent me to the moon.

    Conversely, I do believe your body gets used to the same weed if you smoke it over and over. Like, if you pick up say an ounce of weed, the first high you get from smoking it won't be the same high you get from the last time you smoke it because your body got used to that high given by that particular strain. This is why I usually only buy eighths at a time and try to switch it up.
     


  12. "I used to think I had really high tolerance for the longest time until one day I picked up some dank ass shit from my dealer and it sent me to the moon."

    That's still a tolerance issue. It's like getting drunk off a 6-pack of 5% ABV beers on a frequent basis and then picking up a 6-pack of 9% ABV beers. Of course you're going to get more drunk, there's more alcohol content.

    "Dank ass shit" is going to have a higher THC content so it's going to get you higher than something like mids.
     
  13. To be honest I've always sort of had my suspicions that this was the case. Ever since I started smoking a lot, I find that my brain gets more disorganized and confused after my first bong rip or two, whereas if I'm just having a huge sesh and we're all passing pieces around and I'm taking countless rips in a row I sometimes even "smoke myself sober" as the saying goes, where I still feel some subtle high characteristics but it's like I bypassed the real high.
     
  14. If I go to sleep high , one bowl in the morning gets me very high. If I don't smoke for a week, I'd get much higher than I have in a while
    so in that way, it works both ways
     
  15. I am 25-7 at times, it sucks lol.
     

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