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  1. #1 Headhunterpipes, Feb 22, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2023
    The word i got is they are going under,
    RAW Rolling Paper Manufacturer Just Got Sued for Lying About Its Products (merryjane.com)


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    RAW Rolling Paper Manufacturer Just Got Sued for Lying About Its Products
    Published February 13, 2023
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    A federal court will force the distributor of RAW rolling papers to pull dozens of products off the market after a rival company sued them for making misleading marketing claims.

    The court's decision resolves a lawsuit that Republic Brands, maker of OCB and Top rolling papers, brought against HBI International, distributor of RAW, Elements, Juicy Jays, and other popular papers. HBI has long claimed that RAW created the world's first organic hemp papers and that the company's founder, Joshua Kesselman, invented pre-rolled cones. HBI has even called OCB's Organic Hemp papers “RAWnabees,” or knockoffs of its own popular RAW organic hemp papers.



    Republic Brands eventually sued HBI, alleging that the company was making a wide variety of misleading claims about its products. In addition to disparaging its competitor's products, HBI was accused of claiming to donate its profits to charity and lying about the origin and creation of its papers. Republic's attorneys argued that these inaccurate claims created unfair competition and violated the Illinois Uniform Deceptive Trade Practices Act.

    Over the course of a long and drawn out court case, Republic presented evidence that many of HBI's most popular marketing claims were completely untrue. For one, HBI has claimed that it donates some profits from the sale of its RAW products to a charity known as the “RAW Foundation.” After viewing the evidence in the case, the court concluded that this charitable organization does not actually exist.

    HBI has also proudly claimed that its papers are made by artisanal craftspeople in Alcoy, Spain, which they claim is the “birthplace of rolling papers.” Many RAW products are stamped with a special “Spanish Alcoy Paper Blessing,” and the company says that its paper booklets, pre-rolled cones, rolling papers, and bulk paper bobbins are all made in Spain. But according to the court, "HBI makes no rolling paper in Alcoy, Spain whatsoever."

    The court also debunked many claims that the company makes about its manufacturing process. HBI has said that RAW rolling papers are made from “unrefined” fibers taken from the center stalks of hemp plants. The company also says its papers are made with natural hemp gum and that the adhesive used in the papers also contains or is made from hemp. According to the court, these claims are all untrue. HBI's claims that it manufactures its products using wind power are apparently inaccurate as well.

    On January 31st, the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois issued a permanent injunction that blocks HBI from manufacturing, ordering, or selling products that contain any of these misleading claims. Under the injunction, the company will no longer be allowed to say that its products are made in Spain or that any profits will go to charity. HBI is also blocked from saying that it invented organic rolling papers, that its founder invented pre-rolled cones, or making any other claims that were disproved in court.
     
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  2. If raw goes under their papers will become collector Items.
    I would be willing to bet Zigzag is the company that is Sueing them
     
  3. Wow what a shame he lied about all that. Still has great papers but definitely not cool to be dishonest. Especially I remember watching a video he (Josh, the CEO) made about how capitalism can be corrupted or used to "take us to the moon". How companies can undercut each other and try to sell inferior products at better margins OR they can keep trying to make better and better products and that he did that even in lack of real competition to innovate papers. Which is still to this day fair to say he did.

    But to have a lot of the core components of your marketing be based on lies is really shitty. Checked his youtube channel and he took down most of his vids. Guess he's in hiding now lol.
     
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  4. Its a crazy world, Raw makes some great products, but what the CEO did/lied is low life/bs.
    If you like their products then better buy now because RAW is done.
    Unless another company buys them, how could anyone trust anything the man says. If they can find him?
     
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  5. I guess we'll see. Way too big to die though I feel. If he gives up the throne someone else will definitely buy them out.
     
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  6. They'll be fine
    Speculators will run out and buy available stock and the rest will find its way into the secondary market
    Bankruptcy will be declared and reorganization will occur
    Then some new cannabis related product will emerge from the same people

    Here's my idea
    Have Snoop Dogg look at a bunch of rolling papers individually and charge $10,000 for a personally inspected rolling paper
     
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  7. I heard that raw has lead in there papers. Is this the fact?
     
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  8. Yes I agree with you.
    My thoughts is the raw papers that are being made now
    might become collectors items in the future.

    I don't care about the CEO Josh, seems he dug his own grave with all these lies.
    Raw is a giant in rolling paper industry, and agree that the company should be worth some money depending if
    the judge will allow it.


    The court also debunked many claims that the company makes about its manufacturing process. HBI has said that RAW rolling papers are made from “unrefined” fibers taken from the center stalks of hemp plants. The company also says its papers are made with natural hemp gum and that the adhesive used in the papers also contains or is made from hemp. According to the court, these claims are all untrue. HBI's claims that it manufactures its products using wind power are apparently inaccurate as well.

    Sounds like class action law suit for anyone who has ever used raw papers.
    LOL i am smoking a OBC cone as I am writing this.
    Maybe I should buy a case of them before they are no more .

    Man this guy sure had heap of lies,
     
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  9. Who is leading rolling paper manurfactur at DuckDuckGo
    OCB quickly developed into the leading rolling paper manufacturer in the world, setting the standard of quality and thinness for rolling papers. TODAY: OCB IS SOLD WORLDWIDE. You can find OCB on 6 continents, with huge popularity in metropolitan cities across the globe. All good things get discovered.
     
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    My left over stock
    I don't combust anymore
    Sell on eBay in 5 years:biggrin:
     
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  11. I went over to vaporizing and cannot smoke anymore
    The taste is awful, even the freshest, fruity bud tasted like ashtray

    The pesticides and heavy metal make it into the papers if the source of the hemp is contaminated
    Same with the flower we consume
     
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  12. Makes me wonder about my the weed I grow .
    From my limited knowledge all plants require a certain amount of minerals to grow.
    As a Hydroponic grower I know I add in mineral/heavy metals in my reservoirs.
    My Tap water which I don't drink nor give to my plants is 1500 PPM's
    I mix 3 parts RO water to 1 part tap water,
    What trees do they make cigarette papers/pot papers out of.
     
  13. They are made from hemp plants
    Basically the founder lied about where he was sourcing the material and manufacturing the papers
    Hard to tell where he lied at first but its all coming out
    If the hemp came from a commercial farm (most likely) then there is an increased risk of pesticides and heavy metal contamination
    That's why I filter my extractions with carbon and celite
     
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  14. I enjoy the taste of weed. Joints is my favorite I make live resin and bubble hash,
    I dont have a rotary vaporizer, i would love one, but without a lic Its the same as making meth in Nevada,.
    When I worked on the commercial farm they went through a shit ton of different pesticides/fungicides trying to find one that works.

    I know the farms have a way to change the test results of weed if it has fungi
    8 grams is tested for every ten pounds of buds, If those buds have fungi in them then weed is put a micro wave and retested, and is cleared to be sold.........
     
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  15. Yeah, a rotovap is in my future
    Need to clear a room so there is a place for it
    Picking up some 200 proof culinary ethanol in Maine soon
     
  16. Raw papers aren't even that great anyway. Every time I use them they don't burn evenly.

    Hey maybe it's me. But I prefer other brands.
     
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