Pure Absolute Nothing

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by ezak420, Sep 30, 2012.

  1. Nothing is impossible because nothing can't be experienced objectively. For something to be objective it has to be experienced by more then one observer, so they can agree that what they are seeing, feeling and communicating exists to both of them.

    We could say subjectively nothing exists as something like before your time, before you were born or created or whatever the process of becoming alive is. Or when you sleep without dreaming. When I try to think of nothingness I think of pure darkness, pitch black; a black hole.

    Absolute nothing is unimaginable, unexplainable, indescribable and intangible. Nothing is like saying a shadow has energy
     
  2. So in short...nothing is something
     
  3. You can't observe something which can't exist. Nothing can't exist BECAUSE, something exists.
     
  4. [quote name='"ezak420"']You can't observe something which can't exist. Nothing can't exist BECAUSE, something exists.[/quote]

    Bro, you are stoned outta your mind.
     
  5. Try telling athiests this. You'll get the flaming of a lifetime.

    That is if you're referring to the nothingness before the hypothetical big bang.

    But turning this into a religion thread would make it just as bad as the rest.
     
  6. I think what op is trying to say is that the idea of nothing does not exist since noone can imagine it because everything is something. Something has to be perceived identically by two seperate individuals in order for that something to be considered real or "existing". Nothingness cannot exist because noone can have the same perception on the experience of nothing as another person; we do not know nothing, everything is something, nothingness is unimaginable.
     

  7. Woe dude let me take a bong rip for this one......

    Ok so like nothing can be experienced objectivly. Woe dude thats a heavy philosiphy man.

    * takes another bong rip*

    nothing exists as something like before your time. OMG ok you got me trippen on that one homie *laughs*
     

  8. You are so cool.
     
  9. Your definition of nothingness derives from the human semantic system which is constituted by the will to assign notions and concepts a purpose; within our language "nothingness" cannot be comprehended because we cannot manifest a will to its origins or intent, we can only deduce it as a result of arithmetic for example.
     
  10. Some things are, and some things are not. Because things that are not, can't, be. Because nothing wouldn't be. You can't have fucking, nothing isn't; everything is. Because if nothing wasn't, there'd be fuckin' all kinds of shit that we don't like: Giant ass with top hats dancin' around. There's no room for all that shit.
     
  11. [quote name='"lilro"']Some things are, and some things are not. Because things that are not, can't, be. Because nothing wouldn't be. You can't have fucking, nothing isn't; everything is. Because if nothing wasn't, there'd be fuckin' all kinds of shit that we don't like: Giant ass with top hats dancin' around. There's no room for all that shit.[/quote]

    ^ Aint nobody got time for that!
     
  12. #12 jay-bird, Sep 30, 2012
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    True and absolute nothingness... is not conceivable to humans who have always been experiencing things. A pure black screen, a pure black vast plane of nothingness... would this be a white color or black or grey color plane of nothingness? would it be multicolored?
     
  13. The idea of nothing is that it is comprised of nothing, therefor doesn't even exist. Even before you came alive, your ancestry dates back to the 'beginning' of time. Because no matter can be created or destroyed, your essence always was.

    Nothing has no color, shape, form or description because, it doesn't really exist objectively. It exists only as an observer created idea; subjectively and even then can't be comprehended with the human mind.
     
  14. nothing is just a label
     
  15. Well I agree total nothingness is impossible and is just the concept of the lack of something, which we already have here and probably always have in some form, such as a quantum foam energy in unstable equilibrium. Certainly the more independently verified repeatable results people get, the more objective we can be confident something is. But objectivity itself is that which exists independent of and regardless of any and all observers. Did the universe exist before sentient beings with nervous systems evolved and proclaimed that it did? Yes. So objectivity is simply that which exists, disregarding whether humans also exist or agree/know that it exists. Verification is just the human way of being as close to objective as possible, though we are intrinsically bound to these subjective bodily vessels either way.

    Then you are still thinking of too much. Blackness still has form and quality and therefore isn't nothing. Plus the universal vacuum of space is still rich in energy, especially at the microwave range of the e.m. spectrum. To think of nothing, think more what you were just saying. What was life like for you in particular, not any ancestor but specifically you yourself, back say millions of years ago? That nonexistent experience of you is closer to what nothing means.
     
  16. The way I see it, everything exists. Meaning "nothing" also exists. Thing is, it only exists as an idea. How important are ideas? I don't believe in nothing being a state of being. Impossible. But the thought of nothingness sure does help push us forward in earlier stages to grow and advance. An idea is only as good as what comes from it. Tomorrow makes today worth living. I think I'm starting to ramble here. I feel a conversation with myself coming about :laughing: I think I'll stop here before I type a long ass post. Typing from a phone sucks too :laughing:
     
  17. Damn, your first three words in the first sentence already make up a paradox. LOL that's a new record or some shit like that.

    Never mind, your first word is the shortest paradox! Nothing!

    And to sum up your OP, let me quote my dawg Epicurus (LOL, thats actually a pretty good name for a dog), "when we exist death is not, and when death exists we are not." :D
     
  18. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJbEn67QsFU]Ab-Soul - Nothing's Something - YouTube[/ame]
     
  19. What are you talking about? In that context, "nothing is impossible" most nearly means "[given our current experience that something does trivially and plainly exist,] the complete absence of all things in general is impossible." And that is a true statement, because existence is a property that has to be relevant to our lives to be meaningful. If no things existed, then what state would we verbally attach to all these things that appear to us and what would existence apart from and beyond that even mean in that context? They didn't mean "for every imaginable situation x, x is possible," so I think you were straw manning them in some sort of self-righteous internet-ego way.
     
  20. Nobody said there was absolutely nothing before the big bang.
     

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