Protecting Your Rights

yurigadaisukida · Jun 9, 2013

It was established a long time ago (patriot act) that the 4th ammendment does not apply to the internet.

I've known this for a while but some didn't.

And now everyone is going crazy like this is some.new shit.

Don't post personal info online. That's always been a bad idea.

Nothing really new here.

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Old School Smoker · Jun 9, 2013

yurigadaisukida said:

It was established a long time ago (patriot act) that the 4th ammendment does not apply to the internet.

I've known this for a while but some didn't.

And now everyone is going crazy like this is some.new shit.

Don't post personal info online. That's always been a bad idea.

Nothing really new here.

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Ok so we should not post personal info because that is a bad idea. Ok I agree.

yurigadaisukida · Jun 9, 2013

Danbridge said:

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' data-author="yurigadaisukida" data-time="1370790731">

It was established a long time ago (patriot act) that the 4th ammendment does not apply to the internet.

I've known this for a while but some didn't.

And now everyone is going crazy like this is some.new shit.

Don't post personal info online. That's always been a bad idea.

Nothing really new here.

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Ok so we should not post personal info because that is a bad idea. Ok I agree.
</blockquote>
Many people don't know (or know and don't think about it)

They know not.to put personal info online, but then they do and get mad at the government.

I don't support.government spying. But people are acting like this is some new thing and suddenly.everyone's rights are being violated.

Its like wtf. NOW people care?

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lightnup · Jun 10, 2013

People complain about privacy and then post everything about themselves on Facebook, go figure.

rhapsodyrcks · Jun 10, 2013

We live in the age of the low information voter. The age of no one reading anything really. That is to be expected that they freak many years later.

You have to take how you see things and see the world through there eyes. American Idol, Honey Bo Bo, stuff face with food, drink mountain dew, facebook ... rinse and repeat.

ProvidencePlant · Jun 10, 2013

PRISM vs Tor

https://blog.torproject.org/blog/prism-vs-tor

By now, just about everybody has heard about the PRISM surveillance program, and many are beginning to speculate on its impact on Tor.
Unfortunately, there still are a lot of gaps to fill in terms of understanding what is really going on, especially in the face of conflicting information between the primary source material and Google, Facebook, and Apple's claims of non-involvement.

This apparent conflict means that it is still hard to pin down exactly how the program impacts Tor, and is leading many to assume worst-case scenarios.
For example, some of the worst-case scenarios include the NSA using weaponized exploits to compromise datacenter equipment at these firms. Less severe, but still extremely worrying possibilities include issuing gag orders to mid or low-level datacenter staff to install backdoors or monitoring equipment without any interaction what-so-ever with the legal and executive staff of the firms themselves.

We're going to save analysis of those speculative and invasive scenarios for when more information becomes available (though we may independently write a future blog post on the dangers of the government use of weaponized exploits).

For now, let's review what Tor can do, what tools go well with Tor to give you defense-in-depth for your communications, and what work needs to be done so we can make it easier to protect communications from instances where the existing centralized communications infrastructure is compromised by the NSA, China, Iran, or by anyone else who manages to get ahold of the keys to the kingdom.
The core Tor software's job is to conceal your identity from your recipient, and to conceal your recipient and your content from observers on your end. By itself, Tor does not protect the actual communications content once it leaves the Tor network. This can make it useful against some forms of metadata analysis, but this also means Tor is best used in combination with other tools.

Through the use of HTTPS-Everywhere in Tor Browser, in many cases we can protect your communications content where parts of the Tor network and/or your recipients' infrastructure are compromised or under surveillance. The EFF has created an excellent interactive graphic to help illustrate and clarify these combined properties.

Through the use of combinations of additional software like TorBirdy and Enigmail, OTR, and Diaspora, Tor can also protect your communications content in cases where the communications infrastructure (Google/Facebook) is compromised.
However, the real interesting use cases for Tor in the face of dragnet surveillance like this is not that Tor can protect your gmail/facebook accounts from analysis (in fact, Tor could never really protect account usage metadata), but that Tor and hidden services are actually a key building block to build systems where it is no longer possible to go to a single party and obtain the full metadata, communications frequency, *or* contents.
Tor hidden services are arbitrary communications endpoints that are resistant to both metadata analysis and surveillance.

A simple (to deploy) example of a hidden service based mechanism to significantly hinder exactly this type of surveillance is an XMPP client that also ships with an XMPP server and a Tor hidden service. Such a P2P communication system (where the clients are themselves the servers) is both end-to-end secure, and does *not* have a single central server where metadata is available. This communication is private, pseudonymous, and does not have involve any single central party or intermediary.

More complex examples would include the use of Diaspora and other decentralized social network protocols with hidden service endpoints.
Despite these compelling use cases and powerful tool combination possibilities, the Tor Project is under no illusion that these more sophisticated configurations are easy, usable, or accessible by the general public.

We recognize that a lot of work needs to be done even for the basic tools like Tor Browser, TorBirdy, EnigMail, and OTR to work seamlessly and securely for most users, let alone complex combinations like XMPP or Diaspora with Hidden Services.

Additionally, hidden services themselves are in need of quite a bit of development assistance just to maintain their originally designed level of security, let alone scaling to support large numbers of endpoints.

Being an Open Source project with limited resources, we welcome contributions from the community to make any of this software work better with Tor, or to help improve the Tor software itself.

If you're not a developer, but you would still like to help us succeed in our mission of securing the world's communications, please donate! It is a rather big job, after all.
We will keep you updated as we learn more about the exact capabilities of this program.
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Johnny Cash · Jun 10, 2013

I don't have Facebook and I've never posted my real name on the internet. Not neccessarily because I don't want the government spying on me but more so because I don't want my friends reading everything I post online. IMO one advantage of internet forums is the anonymity. Sometimes I discuss things here that I wouldn't discuss with my friends. And I know people google each other's names just out of curiosity. Also I think there's probably not one person on earth that has the same name as me. If you have a very generic name and people find shit about you on the internet it could be anybody with that name.

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