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Private Sector Education vs. Government Monopoly Education

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Shade, Feb 18, 2010.

  1. #1 Shade, Feb 18, 2010
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    Education Is Too Important for a Government Monopoly

    It's time to let parents choose

    John Stossel | February 18, 2010

    Education: Free and Compulsory - Murray N. Rothbard - Mises Institute
  2. I'm a victim of the NYS high school curriculum. I'm still mathematics deficient even after tring to relearn it all. As a parent all I have to say is I'll be damned if I don't homeschool. I mostly blame teacher's unions and a state bureaucracy that puts attorneys in charge of curriculum ( I didn't take trigonometry and algebra, i took math A, math A/B, and math B. yea, i don't know what the fuck it means either ask NYS) This is clear when public schools are compared with charter schools.
  3. I enjoyed my free education, thanks.
  4. It wasn't free.

  5. It was for me, and why should I care who was exploited so that I could advance? I'm not a communist :rolleyes:
  6. Don't worry buddy, you'll pay it back and then some. And you shouldn't care who you exploited to advance, you should care who exploited you (as a child no less) in order to advance.
  7. #7 Arteezy, Feb 19, 2010
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    I have to say that I went to a NYS public high school and was actually happy with my education. Given, I lived in a fairly wealthy town and was in the "smart kid" track since 1st grade.

    Now, that isn't to say that my school was awesome. Our English and Social Studies were complete jokes except for a couple good teachers in each department. In Math, I was able to complete Calculus I, II, and III and in science I took AP Physics. Obviously, I might've been able to get a better education at an expensive private school, but all things considered I was happy with my high school education.

    EDIT: I'm a big believer in home-schooling/autonomous learning. I think that parents have some responsibility to educate their children and I also think that after a certain point, kids will start to learn on their own.

    Compulsory education is nonsense. Why force a kid to go to school when he's just going to ruin the environment? If a kid doesn't want to be in school, let him leave and if he continues disrupting classes, kick him out.
  8. #8 Shade, Feb 19, 2010
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    Er... You're advocating the redistribution of wealth. Redistribution of wealth is a communist practice. So... apparently you have no idea what you're talking about. So much for being "advanced".

    Apparently you don't care about morality either, seeing as how redistribution of wealth is immoral, and you don't "care who was exploited".
  9. Private schools = smarmy rich kids who have no exposure to the real world.
    Public schools = kids who know how to fucking fend for themselves.

    Yeah, private schools don't breed street knowledge, and street knowledge is something that's priceless.

  10. That has nothing to do with the curriculum and everything to do with the state's influence on the market. If there were no public schools it would be a whole different ball game.

    I'm sure you could find some podunk school to resemble the shittier days of public education for real cheap in a private market.
  11. How can you honestly put either "type" of school in a category and compare it to another type? Public schools are run by a number of states and each of those states has a number of districts. Private schools are even harder to categorize. Some private or charter schools are just as poor as inner city public schools.

    No school teaches "street knowledge'. So called street knowledge is acquired by living on the street. Public schools aren't teaching this "knowledge" either.
  12. Don't feed the troll guys! :smoking:
  13. Meh, the argument isn't really serious dude, it's more an observation that if I had to pick a side to win it wouldn't be the posh private school kids.

  14. In a physical fight? Well the private schools buy their athletes, so....
  15. hehe, sorry. It's hard when they beg...

  16. Over there maybe, here athletics isn't such a big thing. Even so, somehow methinks athletics is a poor defense mechanism against some crazy poorboy motherfucker charging you with a broken bottle and a body/mind hardened in that special little way that only poverty and a life of abuse can give. :D

    But seriously, this detracts from the real argument, which I frankly can't be fucked entering into. Thus, don't let me and my trolling stop you - argue on!
  17. #17 SmokinP, Feb 19, 2010
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    It wasn't free.

    Don't feed the troll guys!

    Of course it was not free..
    The taxpayer paid for it..

    Oh but thats theft then isnt it..:rolleyes:

    Public schools level the playing field..

    Private schools are for elitist parents to send their kids so they dont have to mix with the common working classes..
    Do away with public schools and you would end up with the rich kids having the best teachers and facilities while the families that could not afford it would end up with a much poorer education for their kids..
    That is a much fairer system though isnt it.. No theft involved there..:rolleyes:

    And anyone who questions is labeled a troll now ???
  18. Capitalism breeds unemployment and thus poverty, public schools need to be an option.
  19. Nokturnal's 'advanced' schooling apparently didn't make that known to him.

    Yeah, those terrible rich elitist yuppies in third world slums, let me tell you...

    :rolleyes: See the problem with your contention is that it doesn't take into consideration a key aspect: reality.


    How does capitalism breed unemployment and poverty?

    How do you reconcile your contention with the report? Did any of you actually read the report? Because everything you're spouting is in contrast to what the report has found.
  20. #20 iskander323, Feb 19, 2010
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    I think the point smokinp was making is that if all schools were privatised those frequented by the rich elite would (because of higher tuition costs) have more money available to them.
    It in hardly a stretch of the imagination to assume the best teachers would be in those schools as the majority of people want a better wage and working conditions. To carry that idea forward would mean poorer schools get less capable teachers in scale with their budget and and less resources to teach which would lead to further social stratification.

    While you quote how privatised schools in african slums are better than state equivalents this hardly addresses the point made.

    The UK is currently experimenting with privatised acadamies and the system seems to be working well in the inner cities but even there the teachers themselves are saying that to really improve schools we need to start teaching to ability. The more advanced students can learn at a faster pace but more in depth and those less capable still get a good standard of education.
    Sadly govenment listens to experts more than the people on the ground who are doing the actual teaching so the message is slow getting through.

    There is one case which is a cause for worry in the UK where a creationist has backed and funded one of these acadamies and there is a lot of concern as to the quality of teaching of 'hard science' in that case.
    Transfer that to the US and you are going to get a lot of religious schools where biology and physics classes are taught with religious bias and current knowledge surpressed.

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