Before you say "well, it's there to protect the public from dangerous criminals dood", hear me out yo. If somebody goes to prison for a long period of time, they probably did something fucked up obviously. They broke the rules of the society they live in. Can anybody explain to me WHY people find the most logical solution is to put somebody in jail? It's like "they broke the rules of society, let's imprison them in our society" Since laws aren't universal and they're just things each society makes as they progress.. Wouldn't it make more sense to just kick them out of the society? You can't comply with our rules then you can't be here. Then again, I know other countries are not gonna want neighboring countries sending all their violent criminals over to them.. So I'd propose the idea of an island type set up made specifically for people who can't abide by rules of the society they were previously in. Don't wanna follow the rules then you can't reap the benefits of society.. Does that not make more sense than "don't wanna follow the law? Well, we'll house you and feed you". Imprisonment, in my opinion, is inhumane. Sorry, I said it. I know people do fucked up stuff and prison sometimes seems like a gentle punishment for their crimes... But personally, I just can't say "yeah, take their life/part of their life from them". Just kick them out and let them deal with it on their own. The island they are sent to will likely be a dangerous place where it's dog eat dog and almost comparable to an animal living in wild nature, in slight ways. Strip them of citizenship, rights, everything, and just send their ass out of society. Though once you go, you wont get to come back. You're exiled. Obviously not all crimes would amount to such a punishment and if somebody is just going to be in jail for a few months - a few years.. Give them an option to go to jail and attend a therapist while there regularly or to leave the country. Obviously this is just a "high idea" and I haven't thought through every exact detail as things like which island would be most fitting for the amount of people going there and shit.. But you catch the drift of my idea Agree? Disagree? Arguments against?
It would be good but it just wouldn't work people would escape the island and join society and if not then that's the same as prison.
It would be pretty hard to escape and even harder to re-enter society. It would have to be somewhat guarded/set up so people can't escape and outsiders can't help people escape. It's different than prison though, even if the people are unable to leave the island. It's different because there the prisoners have their own society to deal with. It's no longer our great responsibility to support them with our penny and they're no longer confined to small rooms on a strictly fixed schedule for the rest of their lives
How would they eat, some would kill others they would create society they would want to seek revenge they WOULD find a way out.
Better off just killing them. Why ship em off to an island to never see them again? Same thing as killing them. So Just kill em beforehand... Nobodys going to survive on an island like that, espically a criminal, who most likely doesnt have much skill in the jungle or survival without robbbing people.
I prefer the weregilt system of Salic law. Make people actually pay for their crimes. Prison, IMHO, should be reserved for violent, physically dangerous offenders.
How would they eat? I dunno.. And they may not know either. Easy/conventional access to food sources are part of the benefit of society. We simply strip them of those benefits and let them handle it themselves. And shipping them off isn't the same as killing them. They still have their life and they still can take it in different directions. It's just now they have to do it entirely on their own because they've lost the benefits of living in a structured society.
That's the point though. They had the choice to stay in society and find a way to eat. They broke the rules, let them figure it out themselves. If they kill others on the island, big deal. That is just what society would be like if those people were the only ones to populate society. I think it would be a GREAT example for them to learn from and a fair punishment. Take Australia for example, same concept initially, eventually turned into a fairly normal society. You sound like you are supporting the prison system? After your fake little college thesis thread I don't really believe half the shit you say, but if you think prison is the best solution you have no idea what you're talking about. Blindly saying they WOULD find a way out. Really? Say they were all located in Hawaii, or some smaller island in the middle of nowhere. Say there are torrets and shit and things to prevent anyone from breaking in or out. It could be done failry easily. Fairly weak argument imo. @Mogwai, I really agree with this whole heartedly. There was another thread that got me thinking about what the other options are, and this sounds like the best idea yet. A very fair combination of punishment and a chance for positive change rolled into one.
Agree and disagree. Isn't prison basically exiling them from the free society anyway? Just this way we can contain them and keep track of them. Your idea reminds me of what they did to Napoleon. I do believe that most people in prison don't belong there and maybe we should have an intermediate step or have better or alternate options. In short, the reform system needs...reformed.
This is the premise to the movie No Escape staring Ray Liotta...Entertaining as hell. In an ideal world, a member of society who committed a crime against the community would be given a chance to rehabilitate, and become productive members of society... Back in the day, every member of society was needed in order for the community to survive. Times have changed, and with over population and greed becoming modern day problems, people have become expendable. Society no longer needs everyone, because presumably somebody will be able to do the job. It means people are given up on too fast. Not sure what the solution is. Good people will do bad things, and vice versa...Figuring out who is able to do what seems like a problem society has been trying to solve since the beginning of time...
You say imprisonment is inhumane, yet you suggest that we send violators to an island with zero structure or support?
The problem is tax dollars, and success rates. Imprissoning people has proven time and time again to create worse criminals then before they were in the system. People lose job opportunities, family, respect, all kinds of things, that just create a paradox where the punishment forces the repeated crimal activity. On top of that, we are paying for this with tax money. It doesn't just need reformed, it needs completely changed from the ground up. Also, Napoleon is a terrible example, it's nowhere near the same concept as this. Only similarity is being banished from a society, and going to an island. You're saying all these prisoners will escape and go back to their home countries and sieze power once again? Sounds very unlikely. This does not make sense. Trust me, I really tried to figure it out, but I can't. People who would be exciled out of society would be murderers, rapists, people with multiple felonies, assult with deadly weapon, really violent stuff. If they get beat up on the island by the same type of people using the same tactics, seems like a fair punishment. However I believe the most likely outcome would be most people trying to work together to feed themselves and make sure they have shelter etc. They can see how it works out when nobody is helping them out.
It's not exiling them, it's further containing them in society. If it's exiling, it's exiling them to a building and paying for all their needs. Why should we do that when they said "fuck you"? You're right in ways though. A lot of people in prison don't belong there and my idea wouldn't be used for people of a lot of offensives. If you've done some non-violent crimes then you wouldn't be shipped off. If you did some midly violent crimes you'd be given the option to be shipped off or you could choose to stay in a jail in the US but you'd HAVE to take consistent counseling/therapist sessions while you're there and serving times would be less than they are now (because a long time in the pen does anything but prepare you for reentering society). My island idea would be for people who have committed crimes simply unacceptable. Strong crimes against humanity shouldn't be tolerated in my opinion. And to be honest, I sort of think my idea would deter crime more than the current system would. It doesn't strip them of their lives. The current system does.. Either all of their life or part of their life. A life behind bars, in my opinion, is not "living life". To punish somebody like that is inhumane. Just let them deal with it themselves... but not here