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Plant issues

Discussion in 'First Time Marijuana Growers' started by 420botanyboy, Oct 1, 2018.

  1. Hi, hopefully this is the right category, I have some 5 week old autoflower jack herer seedlings growing about 5 inches below 60w LED light bulbs with the caps removed, they are about 5 inches tall with 2 sets of true leaves. I think these are growing very slow, and one of them the leaves are droopy and sort of curly but firm. The new growth appears to be a bit purplish. I think this could be a phosphorous deficiency, temps are around 20-23 degrees Celsius in day, 40-60% humidity, I have plenty of airflow, I wait for the soil to be dry one inch below surface, and my ph is usually around 7.3. I think that is high pH so I need some oh down. My fertilizer is flora, I do 3 ml Cal mag, 4 ml grow, and 8ml bloom per gallon of water. I will include some pics below. All help is appreciated.
     

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  2. What soil is that? Unless it straight coco or peat you shouldn't be adding any fertilisers or supplements.. I suspect you need to get a proper light. The plant has been over heated at some point but probably not causing the main problems you have. It also looks over watered
     
  3. Its cococoir with a lot of perlite, probably about 30% perlite. I wondered about over watering, but it was dry for quite a while. Since it was small the leaves always drooped. Only on the one plant. They sort of came out curled down and would get caught on the leaves below. Would you suggest i raise the lights a bit, and let them dry for a while and see if it gets better or worse? The humidity was usually around 30% but i thought maybe that was the cause, the air dried it out, so i put a humidifier in. Im not really sure what to do at this point.
     
  4. Oh it's coco ok that changes things a bit. It's either a nutrient issue or a over watering issue. It's definitely in the root area and the plant is struggling to draw up what it needs.

    Do you know the EC/ppm of the nutrient solution you're putting in? If not, do you know at what % of full strength you're giving it? And is that on every watering? What brand nutrient are you using?

    The temperature is a little low but not low enough to cause problems. Your humidity is good. Your pH is a little high but its not causing you the issues you have
     
  5. Your light being so small is probably not doing you any favours. Small lights cause slow growth and plants that grow slow are susceptible to other problems. Fast growing plants are healthy and will be less effected by small nutrient imbalances and are much harder to over water
     
  6. Thanks so much for the help. I suspect its some sort of deficiency. I think my watering is pretty good. I usually do 2 or 3 nute waterings then 1 flush of pure water. I am not sure the ppm of the mix, didnt know that mattered. I can test it tomorrow tho. I believe it is a half strength fertilizer. Im using calmag, flora grow and flora bloom. 3ml cal mag, 4 ml grow, 8ml bloom, per gallon of water. Is it a good idea to lower ph or is 7.3 okay? Also is a mars hydro 300w good for 4 plants? Thanks
     
  7. 7.3 is far too high, aim for 5.5-6.5.


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  8. You need to read a lot more about growing in coco. It’s like the antisoil. First you are underwatering your seedlings. Coco MUST be kept moist. By drying out you are messing with an already fickle cation exchange capacity. Coco steals calcium and magnesium from the nutrients you feed your plants. If the coco is not prebuffered with these micros, the plant ends up missing out.

    Coco performs best in small pots when fed often. I understand autos don’t like transplanting, but many do with great success. You started in finishing pot, which is too big, allowing all that extra nutrients to build up in the medium since the roots aren’t spread out yet.

    Ph should be 5.8-6.2
    Calcium and Phosphorus are right at the cusp of 6.0 ph for hydro uptake. A swing from 5.8 to 6.2 is best to cover both sides of the barrier.

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    Feeding to 20% waste is important to wash away salts. Feeding low ppm feeds, more often due to smaller pots and increased drainage from Perlite, is the key to fast growth in coco.

    You’re already on your way now, but just try not to let the coco dry out and keep your feeds lower in ppm <500, definitely get some cal mag, and read all you can.

    Here’s a link to my journal if you have some time. I’m very successful with coco, and hopefully you can devise a plan that will work for you.

    Soil2Coco’s Indoor Multi Strain Journal
     
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  9. You know that coco. Excellent
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  10. Good morning to you as well. Slept like a baby last night
     
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  11. I was out like a light
    At 1:30, my daughter holding my adorable 3 yr old granddaughter, woke us crying we gotta go. We jumped up to see if the fuzz was here or WTF.
    Her baby daddy and them, have been here for 3years.
    So the baby daddy, spoiled little mommas boy, smoking my shit, and then boom pipe dreams.
    He quit his job to buy vintage clothing articles
    Clothing accessories etc
    He came back the other day with a watch he paid ten or twenty bucks for. It had shiny stones circling the watch face. He was all excited(bless his heart) thinking, hoping they were diamonds
    I said let me get my loupe, so I started inspecting it. Not diamonds, paste sloppily glued on.
    It was a Fossil. I told him pawn shops won’t touch em..
    So 1:30am “we have to go” we jump up and , her boyfriend is jumping around screaming we have to go to L.A.



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  12. My first seedlings dampened off when the coco was kept moist so i have always been paranoid about over watering. So does the one inch of dry soil not apply? I am also in plastic pots so they dont drain everywhere like fabric not sure if that really matters. As for the PH, i am thinking it is a phosphorous deficiency, all the photos on google match, so i need to get the ph down. The easiest way for me to get ph down would be from a local aquarium store, they have a ph down for fish tanks, does that work? Thanks everyone :)
     
  13. The added Perlite helps drainage. I’ve done one gallon pots of pure coco with good drainage and success but the larger pots need that Perlite to help out. Royal Gold Tupur is a great mix right out of the bag with Perlite already added.

    The one inch rule does not apply here as coco drains way better than soil. Get a feel for a wet pot and a dry pot, and feed when it’s in between. Soil is usually peat based and though it’s hydrophobic, once saturated, peat holds onto moisture better than coco. That’s why soil growers feed maybe every 4-5 days. We as coco growers supply ALL the needed nutes since it’s naturally inert, and this need to feed daily. You’re gonna have some issues in the large pot until those roots fill in. I see it everytime someone tries this with coco. If you can get through that phase, you may be able to begin the multifeeds in flower once the pots are rooted
     
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  14. Thanks so much. I think these are 2.5L pots, and when i watered and allowed run off it took about a week for it to be dry one inch down (which i guess is false lmao) so i started to panick that it was over watered ant that they would die. Any ideas on using the aquarium ph down?
     
  15. As long as it gets the ph into range and holds it there, it should be fine. That’s important.
     
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  16. As mentioned above - never let coco dry out and reduce your pH to around 5.8. If you're using GH Flora series, micro contains necessary elements that the grow and bloom don't have - it should be used at all times and always added first to your water. I suggest 6ml micro and 9ml bloom (h3ad formula for coco) per gallon of water - grow is not necessary but micro is. Good luck.
     
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  17. Thank you! So 3ml cal mag, 6ml grow, 9ml bloom? At about 5 weeks old, will these have time to recover before flowering?
     
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  18. NO. Read my post again. 6ml MICRO, 9ml BLOOM - NO GROW.
     
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  19. No. That's the downside of growing autos. They have a pre-determined life and any slow up in growth will greatly affect your yield. Had you used photos, you would have had time for the plant to recover before you put it into flower. Good luck.

    This is an auto at 5 weeks old for a comparison.
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  20. Looking good Mick. I’m liking the simplicity of the hempys too. Unfortunately, Supersoil is kicking their ass

    Soil/ Hempy Comparison Grow
     
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