"Phoenix Tears" uses

I just recently made my version of Rick Simpson's Phoenix Tears recipe to see if it was as potent as it was supposed to be and then what to do with the stuff once I made it without petrochemicals. I'm not dying of cancer but I do have basal cell skin cancer and lost part of an ear to it, but it's not bad and my coconut oil takes care of it well. It seems that from everything I've read, that the Tears corporation plays up the "hospice care" effects of the oil and while their message is redeeming for those patients, its kind of depressing to me. There's got to be a way this "miracle" drug could also help those of us with other just as serious but less fatal issues. Personally, I have severe back issues so I need something to cover that nerve pain plus all the other old hippie aches and pain. I would much rather take a cannacap than my morphine any day and have. Works great. What if someone with pre-MS is experiencing severe peripheral pain that nothing helps. Couldn't a miracle drug like these tears help with that? I developed a cold extraction system that will have a magic honey elixir, all natural, within your hands in a few hours instead of several weeks with no alcohol left and just thc and honey and whatever flavor you want it to taste like remaining. Several ounces of honey for the cost of a bag of bud, but 5 times better. I gave this elixir to my ms friend and suggested about a half dropper full under the tongue. She didn't think it was such great stuff for her due to her high tolerance ever though she is a small person. She decided to double the dose for her and now she loves it. A regular tolerant person, half would have been enough.

This elixir was made an old fashion way with Everclear, top trim and popcorn bud, mainly bud of Purple Widow. Someone gave it to me. It was done with a cold extraction method I varied a bit. It turned out great as the testimony of all my friends. Due to my success I decided to to something else a little different. I picked Rick Simpkin's Tears project and learned all I could about it. Turns out that the man himself was more altruistic than after the corporation was formed and business the game.

I was finding complaints that his formula took the concentration too far and that it affected absorption times and also it was basically non-narcotic due to the way applied, but it was also said it was smokeable and edible but there were doubts there, too. And I wasn't finding any disagreement. So I'm providing it. I made my version of tears 2 days after getting out of rehab for serious spinal surgery. I had set it up before surgery. I don't know why I made it, maybe just feverish. In fact I barely remember making it at all. I took it with Everclear down to the think dark oil but didn't want it to be too much like the complaints of the original.

My first test of this was when I swirled the hash oil while a little liquid so I'd be able to rub a paper with the residue. I rolled that joint with top notch hybrid which should hot have produced the effect. I'm a 42 year pot adventurer and assure you of my knowledge and tolerance levels. I lit the first hit but instead of me hitting the joint, it hit me. Knocked my lights right out, almost. I hadn't tasted hash oil like that since the early '70's. I took after a long brain session another pull off this joint and it pulled back like Alice down to wonderland. I gave up at this point and asked for help. I asked the Grass City community what could be done with it. Everyone swears by Rick Simpkins, but no one has come up with anything other than curing cancer. I put a thread in seasoned tokers and to date have nothing. So I figured I'd put it BKS and other chefs on this forum for more ideas.

Let me tell you what I did with the "tears". I knew that if I just smoked it I would get nothing accomplished for all that cash for top bud. I was out of all my edible stuff and needed more elixir, too. Since I went thru the process one way, there was no reason I couldn't reconstitute it, at least with Everclear. Once there I made more elixir and have given my ms friends trials of this new formulation works as well or better than the first. Okay, that's one thing. What else has anyone done with this process that is organic and beyond belief? Let's bounce some ideas off each other if you've used this process. Known recipes and multi-tested sessions must be the norm. The elixir was excellent as I'm sure any other product from this would be if kept organic.

BadKittySmiles, I like your stuff and use as examples, but haven't been able to make Hash stuff due to finances and other reasons. I do now so I'm going to be trying your stuff soon. Look forward to it. Hope you like discussion.

 

I had forgotten I'd started this, mainly because I got absolutely no response.

I believe that a combination of good top trim and the small popcorn buds is perfect for this, especially if it's medical strains. I use that combination in all the tinctures and oil I make since it's all covered in trichomes. I don't grow either and have to rely on others for my material and fortunately they always give me 75 percent untrimmed popcorn, all top grade.

I made a version of the Phoenix Tears twice just to see what it would do. That was why I started this thread. I'm not sick although I am disabled. I had a kidney transplant almost 20 years ago and it's treating me really well. I fell in Yosemite a few years ago and my disability is spine and joint related, so I didn't need it to cure something bad. I use a concentrated cannabis coconut oil daily and I'm sure it's keeping me healthy. Got labs back today that were perfect. Anyway, I found some ways to use a dab here or a dab there, but I have never been fond of trying to chase a dab of oil all over a glass bowl. Other than that and putting a dab in a capsule, it didn't have much use for me in my present state. Maybe sometime in the future, though.

I also used a cold process, but with ethanol instead of naptha or hexane or any of the other petrochemicals. It's just my preference for non-petroleum products plus the alcohol makes it more bioavailable going through the digestive system. The process is basically the same except that the marijuana is decarbed first and then placed in a cold freezer for at least 24 hours as well as doing the same for the Everclear. I have made the base for it several times since this thread was started and have it pretty well perfected. I use the same ethanol base for the canna honey and glycerin tincture and my canna coconut oil and caps. And if I get another basal cell carcinoma, I'll make some more "tears". Both times I made it, I wound up reconstituting it into some honey. Anyway, I made a Green/Gold Dragon, pretty concentrated and it only takes a day after that initial 24 hour freezing period. I use an ounce with a pint of ethanol and 2 oz/750ml. Put it together and shake it 15 minutes, put it back in the freezer for 4 hours or more and shake again for fifteen minutes and strain. If you want even more potency, do another run through the material and the freezer with fresh ethanol. When finished with the second wash, combine the batches and reduce the alcohol off either using a rice cooker or double boiler. When it gets to the thickness you want, remove it from the heat. You can make either a smokeable or ingest it, thick liquid or a gummy ball you scrape off the plate. I believe that BadKittySmiles has a similar concentrate recipe in this forum using a heated method instead of a cold process. I did try the end result and was quite pleased with the outcome.

I also use narcotics due to my back problems and since I've started to use concentrated coconut oil and other concentrated tinctures, my pain has become very manageable and I'm even able to go a few days without it until my body lets me know I haven't had any. Since I don't have a steady access to a lot of trim, I can't foresee being secure enough to give up the pain meds completely.

Here's my thread where I outline the process (I put the wrong amount of weed I used, though) and there are some blurry pictures of my latest batches.
http://forum.grasscity.com/incredib...-goes-psychedelicsams-magic-honey-elixir.html

 

No problem. No offense taken because you called it right. Using the ethanol does make it a concentrated Dragon, whether green or gold, but the end result is basically the same as the "tears" but more "natural". Even BKS has a similar recipe for a hash oil concentrate using heat instead of cold. The end result is essentially the same. BadKat sums it up as a matter of bioavailability. Plus, the Simpson method doesn't incorporate decarbing of the buds and is so concentrated in a non-bioavailable form, that it often passes through the system without fully breaking down. BadKat's posts provide alternate recipes for more bioavailable products for ingestion. I personally have some spots I suspect to be pre-basal cell carcinomas and I prefer a highly concentrated cannabis coconut oil to rub on. This has erased all of these spots in short time. I researched the Phoenix Tears top to bottom and wasn't very impressed. That's why I started this thread. I couldn't figure out what was so special about it compared to other methods. I thought I could do as well with ethanol and did, but had nowhere to go from there. So I turned it back to the Dragon and made something else. I never got a response here until the other day. It's an interesting topic though and gives a chance to compare and critique different methods of doing the same thing. It wouldn't hurt the friendly nature of civilized debate by curtailing the use of "bullshit" and other such negative responses, though.

 

I completely agree. In fact, when I started reading the "baloney" in the corporate info, I could tell it was mainly an advertisement for a high end private therapeutic center using the popularity of Medical Marijuana to make the big bucks. Rick's initial goals may have been altruistic, but it got highjacked by the almighty dollar. My opinion. As far as "God's Miracle", I think you're already too late to coin that phrase.

 

I have read a lot about the transfer of thc into honey. There's a lot of different posts on a lot of other websites where it is embraced more, but to my surprise there are a lot of the older posts on GC that carry similar recipes. The one thing that they all have in common is the inclusion of a Dragon with or without reduction. I've heard this called a solvent transfer and the same process can be used for glycerin and coconut oil and other common cannabis products and it eliminates the direct contact with the plant material. Coconut oil made this way retains the rich coconut flavor of the oil with no cannabis taste. In fact, if you don't like the taste of coconut, you shouldn't use it in brownies or other baked goods. I made some brownies the other day and they have a very noticeable coconut flavor along with the chocolate. I love it but one of my friends thought the flavor was strange for brownies.

In the research I've read I've found references to sugar solutions also being a viable solvent for thc, although not a great one. So that could be the key. I don't think you would get a very potent solution using a standard tincture process of sit and wait. Maybe with some heat. BKS thinks that the thc remains as a suspension instead of an actual infusion and that would cause maybe a mild buzz and degrade quickly. I'm happy to say that's not the case, just the opposite. It seems to get better with age. Many of the honey recipes I saw just reduced the Dragon by half and leaving the rest in the honey, mainly just having a sweetened Dragon.

I have read theories that at least a little alcohol needs to remain to keep the honey active, but I have already disproved that. No alcohol remains and it keeps potency. I've kind of given up trying to figure out why as long as it keeps on keeping on.

 

I've been able to cut back on both morphine and oxycodone since I've been dosing with my various tinctures and coconut oil. By rotating the various products I'm able to keep each fresh to my system which also helps keep my tolerance manageable.Sounds like it may be helping the FIL. I agree that it's more assuring to read confirmed scientific research as opposed to a tale of a friend of a friend's aunt.

 

They are finding that D3 plays a big role in more things than ever imagined. It's one of those building blocks that influence everything we are. I've been following the research for quite a while. It's something that I have to keep up with because of my kidney transplant. The drugs I have to take for that can wreak havoc on bones, so I have to get tested regularly. My doctor is always surprised because I always have good numbers.

It sounds like the FIL is benefiting from your prescription even if he still retains some cancer. Just not having to take all those pills is a step in the right direction. I bet he is pretty stoned, though . The fact that he's seeing some progress already with the oil may be a big factor for improvement because, as you say, hope does play a big part in any terminal situation. Let us know his results. And let him know he has at least one other supporter out here that's pulling for him.