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Phoenix tears side effects

Discussion in 'Medical Marijuana Usage and Applications' started by mayhem604, Apr 13, 2016.

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  1. #1 mayhem604, Apr 13, 2016
    hi guys, I read somewhere that high levels of thc and cbd could cause severe dehydration and kidney issues. Any thoughts on this?

    "The other problem which can occur is tumor lysis syndrome, where the tumor is destroyed so fast it blows up and releases a lot of toxins in to the system. This is particularly a risk in blood-borne cancers such as leukemias and lymphomas, and if tumours are large and necrotic. This is a medical emergency. Fortunately it is very rare, but let’s play safe. I suggest you get your medical doctor to test you for LDH – lactate dehydrogenase as soon as possible, before taking the oil. If it is abnormally high, you are high risk of this syndrome. Also test this again two weeks into therapy to see if it is rising, and let me know if it is. You should have your blood potassium level tested weekly of the first 4 weeks of therapy, and then every 2 weeks. If it spikes up, you are getting tumor lysis, and need to consult a physician.

    TUMOR LYSIS SYNDROME - is a toxic overload of the kidneys due to aggressive treatment resulting in rapid necrosis. Most commonly seen in acute leukemias and lymphomas. The metabolic load of rising potassium, phosphate, and uric acid, and falling calcium, results in acidosis and azotemia. A shift of any of these blood factors of over 25% relative to pre-treatment values is diagnostic. Watch for cardiac arrythmias, arthritis, weakness, lethargy, tachypnea, or coma with deep Kussmaul respirations. Test serum creatinine. Monitor serum lactate dehydrogenase enzyme LDH as a marker of necrosis. Medical care involves rehydration, uric acid lowering drugs such as Allopurinol, management of renal failure, and other complex medical intervention. Support the kidneys with Co-enzyme Q10, R+alpha lipoic acid, and goat whey minerals. Give sodium bicarbonate sufficient to raise the urine pH to over 5.0. Botanicals to consider are Pipsissewa, also known as Prince’s pine -Chimaphilla umbellata, Cleavers herb - Gallium aparense, stinging nettle - Urtica urens and parsley - Petroselinum sativum. "
     
  2. #2 PsychedelicSam, Apr 16, 2016
    I don't believe that high levels of cannabis causes dehydration and kidney issues. Cannabis actually helps kidney function by lowering blood pressure. I had end stage kidney disease in my early 40's and had to go on dialysis. A couple of years later I received a kidney transplant which I still have 21 years later. My kidney failure was caused by strep and other factors although I had smoked weed heavily since I was 18. I had to lie to get on the transplant list because pot smokers weren't approved then nor now. After I received the new kidney I continued to smoke and for the last few years I've dosed pretty heavily on edibles and tinctures. Back when I got my kidney a recipient was lucky to last 1 year and a success if it made it 5 years. 21 is very rare and I credit the cannabis. I've had no problems.

    Tumor lysis can be a big problem for kidneys not just because of the toxins released but also because of the debris from the "explosion" getting into the bloodstream. Those get caught in the small nephrons of the kidneys and blocks the filtering. This is not caused by cannabis, even RSO, normally but more likely from radiation or chemo.

    There can be side effects from RSO (Phoenix Tears) but not of that variety that I have heard of. :)
     
  3. #3 mayhem604, Apr 16, 2016
    Thank you so much for Your reply.

    The reason I am concerned is because my mom, who was recently diagnosed with ovarian cancer started taking Phoenix tears (she hasn't started chemo yet). I started her off with the amount of about half a grain of rice on the first day, as recommended by a lot of the online sources. Then I started to increase the dosage to about 1 grain size worth per day to up to a grain and a half's worth per day. She is also taking hrdromorphone for pain ( which I read could also contribute to dehydration and renal failure).

    After 4 days she became very dehydrated and could not urinate. We ended up at the hospital and the doctors said she was severely dehydrated and had to give her lots of iv fluid and hooked her up to a catheter to prevent further kidney damage.

    Her kidneys are back to normal now but I'm a bit concerned about the dosage. The doctors think the renal failure might be due to the cancer blocking the ureters/dehydration. But I kind of feel like it's due to the fact that the Phoenix tears is working and started the cancer killing process-and that the kidneys were Overwhelmed By all the dead cancer cells.

    The doctors do not know about her taking the tears. I really believe in the healing power of cannabis and hope it will help with my mom's cancer.
     
  4. #4 brianmmj, Apr 16, 2016
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    It sounds like there is something else going on. Cancer cells get everywhere and cause all sorts of issues.

    Keep taking the Pheonix Tears. Keep raising her dose. It is very unlikely this is the cause of her dehydration. You should reduce the pain meds as you raise the dose. The doctors for my mother in law are still trying to figure out where her stage 4 cancer went. They recommended against the RSO at first, but now her oncologist actually wrote it down on her recommended treatment. Doctors, like a lot of people, have a view of cannabis as a kooky fringe medicine. I think this will change a lot in the coming years. I am seeing it myself.

    You will need to do far more and grains of rice for anti-cancer. Obviously, you should monitor her water intake, too.
     
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  5. #5 PsychedelicSam, Apr 16, 2016
    It's the hydromorphone that may be contributing to the dehydration, not the RSO. 4 days isn't enough time for the RSO to start working that quickly on any tumors, not to the point that it's exploding tumors. Cannabis shrinks tumors instead of blowing them to pieces. That's just not the way it works. When I had to start taking pain meds daily I had to ask my kidney doctor which would be least destructive to my kidney and was told they were all bad.

    You've tripled her dose in 4 days without giving her a chance to acclimate to it so I would imagine that combined with the pain meds, she's in la la land most of the time and may not be consuming liquids as she should be or is losing fluids that need to be replaced. If they had to give her a lot of IV fluids then that's an indication of that. If she's hydrating but unable to pass urine then there is a distinct possibility that a ureter or urethra was blocked.

    Trust the doctors. It's much more likely they have a better idea of the issues. If there is any kind of problem with debris in the blood stream, it's going to be more like from a tumor rupturing and getting into the blood, causing sepsis and shutting down the organs beginning with the kidneys.

    I'd recommend cutting the dose back to half a grain for a couple of weeks before increasing the dosage so that she and her body can adjust without putting added stress on her.

    I wish her, and you, success. :)
     
  6. #6 Slim_Brady, Apr 16, 2016
    I'm in for the information.

    I also am wishing and hoping the best for you guys. I really hope the RSO pulls through for you guys.

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  7. #7 PsychedelicSam, Apr 16, 2016
    How are you dispensing the RSO? It's notorious for not being very bioavailable on it's own and much of it passes through before it can be metabolized. One way to combat that is to dissolve it in coconut oil and make capsules and it makes dosing more reliable, too.

    If you dissolved 1g of RSO into 10ml of warm coconut oil you would get about 10 "00" caps that would be 100mg of RSO per cap. The stated dosage of RSO for cancer patients is about 1g per day. 2 of those caps, 200mg, would be as effective as twice that much of concentrated cannabis oil alone because of the increased bioavailability, especially if a bit of lecithin is included.

    It's just a suggestion. I've found it to be effective. :)
     
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  8. #8 mayhem604, Apr 20, 2016
    Thanks for the suggestion. I've also started her on suppositories using a syringe- combining RSO with warm coconut oil. I read that by going through the back door, it enhances the absorption and she'll experience less "high". Indeed, last night when she used the soppository for the first time before bed, experienced less of a high compared to 2 nights ago where she took it in a capsule form (both times 1/2 grain of rice).
     
  9. #9 PsychedelicSam, Apr 21, 2016
    Rectal administration is great for absorption into the surrounding tissue and is particularly effective for prostate, rectal and genital issues as well as others that are in that general area. The cannabinoids don't usually make it beyond the liver area intact to attack the cancer tissue directly.

    There is little to no psychoactive effects because it doesn't go past the liver and instead is absorbed directly into the tissue. It does eventually make it around the blood stream but slow enough to mitigate the psychoactive effects. You may want to provide treatment both ways but cut back some on the oral route. I've heard that the rectal can get a little "sloppy" but when fighting cancer that's the least of someone's problem although administering it before bed would be good because she's in a prone position which should help with that side effect. :mellow:
     

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