One Nation Under Socialism - Jon McNaughton

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Swills, Mar 21, 2012.

  1. I gotta be honest, I don't agree with the whole Obama is a socialist thing and I think its pretty much unfounded. Now I don't like Obama, I'm not defending him, I'm just sayin, Socialist? C'mon. The Daily Show knows what I'm talking about.

    The Socialist Network - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 03/08/12 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

    That said, I do recognize the bullshit that Washington DC throws at us citizens so I do agree with Jon McNaughton's new painting, just not the socialist part.

    One Nation Under Socialism - Jon McNaughton - YouTube

    McNaughton Fine Art

  2. #2 NasaJoe, Mar 21, 2012
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    The subliminal negative connotation of the word socialist will immediately turn a liberals brain off in an argument. I try not to call him a socialist for that reason alone, I do strongly believe Obama loves redistributing the wealth.. :D

    this is the other guys recently celebrated work for those interested..

  3. That dude kinda seems like a douche, like Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich will be any better.
  4. Since Obama is to the right of many country's far right, I would say he is far from a socialist.
  5. Obama has been a center-right president, sorry if that doesn't fit into a right-wing critique of him. He isn't a socialist lol if you think he is you clearly have never studied political theory, I'd hardly call him a liberal; even if he is really far left, and I don't think he is, his administration has not been.
  6. He would fit more into the fascist branch of Socialism like Bush before him. One day the Republican and Democratic parties will merge into the National American Socialist Workers Party.
  7. ^ Wtf explain please. Right on mmj and war yes. Center on what? And liberal/socialist/fascist/collectivist on social issues like medicine, housing ,economic issues he is flat out a planned society type socialist/fascist on banking, and bail outs. He is all over the place .... very stupid

  8. Wrong fascism involves heavy government intervention in the economy, a feeling of nationalist pride (collectivism) and a disregard for private property.
  9. Who effectively was the first to implement fascism? Mussolini, a known socialist who knew it was a un-sustainable economic system. He knew there had to be some private ownership but only under government direction.
  10. That's why to make it easy we should just say collectivist vs individualism ...
  11. "fascism is the merger of corporate and government power."

    Fascism kinda sounds like socialism to me. Although there are other aspects of fascism, that is one of the roots from which it grew.
  12. Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism By Dr. Lawrence Britt Source Free 5-28-3

    Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

    4. Supremacy of the Military -Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

    5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

    6. Controlled Mass Media -Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

    7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

    9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

    10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

    14. Fraudulent Elections -Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

    From Liberty Forum
  13. ^ its planned society. Nothing more
  14. The biggest threat to you and your happiness is groups of people not individuals. Made up entities like societies , and government are just individuals grouping together to limit your freedoms. Natural law happens naturally.
  15. A lot of ya'll need to go study up on your civics.
  16. I don't believe in a state sponsored society.
  17. [quote name='"old cub"']what about a society sponsored state[/quote]

    Nope..again its just a group of individuals trying to force there views.
  18. What if the majority support Santorum ... Do you support that?

  19. Are you freaking kidding me? Hitler was a pioneer of universal healthcare!

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