I am a skeptic, I cannot wrap my head around the idea that a group from a secret society are pulling global strings to bring about dystopia. I am not denying the elite and their groups or rituals but I cannot realistically believe it's more than a club. I do not believe these people are running conspiracies such as 9/11 or working with clockwork elves. I'm not saying it's completely impossible that we aloud ourselves to be attacked to manipulate the people to raise arms, like how some believe we ignored Pearl Harbor warnings to get into WWII. Even if they were legit attacks the needle and razor can be expected, give us a poke, put up the barb wires, make us feel safe at expense of our liberty. Anything is possible, as is martial law, but I do not believe a group of men in cloaks at a round table planned it. I've seen the FEMA camps, read what has been posted about classified files but all we can do is speculate and that is all, we do not have the facts, all I do is see truthers jump from one thing to another and say it all correlates. There is no one truth and it's not practical to believe they all stem from a secret society that fears loosing their influence. We see NASA scientist saying nothing special happens during planetary alignments, it's fascinating but aside from that nothing will happen such as with Elenin and Niburu. Immediately you see posts that he is NWO agent or payed liar. This is where I get my flame suit ready, as I have said before if there is an NWO I want in on it. If people are sheep, I will be your shepherd (not in a religious way), I will take advantage of the situation to further my career in the name of science and in the pursuit of knowledge even if you never know fruits I bare and it remains classified till the end of time. I hear the endless cop out that science is working against us, they hide their studies and don't know what they do in secret. Why do you think you have the right to know, what makes you so special? On Sept. 22 CERN reported breaking the speed of light using neutrinos which have mass, if this is true, we broke modern 'laws of physics' and the theory of realitivty Einstein proposed in 1905 which states an object with mass cannot go faster than light. I am not a physicist, why should I expect to have sensitive information given to me about CERN or the LHC? Would you honestly be surprised that contact with other planets would be classified or the information isn't published and kept among high officials? Although I say this, how would this hold in the academic community? If a university makes a controversial discovery are men in black suits going to come in and silence everyone? I would have an easier time believing that elites and high society are wizards and their success is based on the occult. I've seen the rituals, the symbols and all the pegan stuff but if thats what they're into, fine by me. To me its no different than an angsty teen practicing 'chaos magik'. Do you believe we will see a world government in our life time? Are you so scared of it that you buy into every person mongering fear, believe in basement scientist and everything Alex Jones says? Will you ignore the scientific method and completely deny what has worked time and time again? I'm ready for the idea that there are things outside contemporary modern science, if you want to discuss the occult and paranormal I'm okay with that too. I am more than willing to accept my ignorance and be enlightened however I will not believe folly logic just as I will not deny what you have to say without basis.
I'm only 23 but I don't think I'll see a world government in my lifetime. The problem is that a majority of these NWO fanatics are the same people that sit alone in their apartment, reading half an article, or watching some shoddy youtube video of some "expert" talking out of his ass. They then take all these bits and pieces of information that they barely understand, and take it as an absolute truth. They are upset with their own lack of success and have to blame someone. The government is the easiest target there is. I'm not defending our government. We still outlaw MJ and have welfare queens like "octomom" wasting our tax dollars. We still have sub-par education funding, but our defense budget couldn't be larger. We have commercials on TV advising you to sue pharmaceutical companies, doctors, and other people for your own mistakes. Our unemployment and homeless rates have shot up while the rich are even richer than ever. But, instead we have conspiracy theorists talking about non-existent problems, involving non-existent secret organizations. Why? The same reason TV networks air bullshit hyped up news stories. Because it sounds more interesting. More people will read what they have to say if it sounds absolutely crazy. It's a ratings game. Conspiracy theorists are nothing more than attention whores with mild creative writing ability. Why more people don't see through this obvious ruse is beyond me, so I'm just as baffled as you my friend.
You guys hit some really good points. The problem with conspiracy theorists is they don't adhere to science. They adhere to what they perceive as an anomaly, which most of the time isn't, and INSTANTLY blame the government/NWO for it. In other words, there can be no explanation other than "THE GOVERNMENT DID IT!". Which, if you know anything about science, can see what is wrong with this reasoning. It is anything but deductive reasoning or science. And if you've ever had experience trying to debate any conspiracy theorist, you'd know their favorite thing is calling you a sheeple/Fox News watcher/government agent.
"Sheeple" is my favorite term. It's supposed to be a term that defines us a conformist. The term is so widely used that it's become a cliche. With so many conspiracy theorists using the term, they themselves become the conformists. If you're going to be a whackjob, have some originality., instead of using early 90s Gen X terms like "sheeple".
I completely agree however I'm on the opposite end of conspiracy theorist, I will regard those who do not seek higher knowledge or do not question, sheep as well. I have no problem being their shepherd. I do not believe I am inherently better than anyone else but I am fine with being a government dog in the name of research and knowledge. I do not hate conspiracy theorist, if anything I give them props for questioning, a lot simply have faulty logic or believe in fantasy and I am okay with that. It's better than not questioning at all. I do not support what out government is doing but I would be more than happy to research for them, If I was around in the 1940s Germany theres a good chance I would have been a nazi scientist, I do not agree with what they did but I would happily use their resources, the same as now. Though I am no Mendeleev and have not sold my soul to science, ethics sometimes must be broken, look at the Manhattan project. To be against violence is one thing, to say force is never needed is naive.
listen.. if you need to be woken up on the truth...and you think conspiracy theorists created the concept of a NWO.. continue: we have a NW0 coming: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g]George Bush New World Order - YouTube[/ame] They will be successful. or so he confidently states. wish i had more media clips on file. they're trying to push new world currency, too.
This video again. I'll debunk it, this time. The context of that video is essential in understanding its meaning. That speech was given after the fall of the Soviet Union. What does NWO mean in this context? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(politics) A change in the balance of power. In other words, George HW Bush was acknowledging the shockingly huge balance in power that occurred when the USSR was no more. Thanks to this, he was hoping that a U.N. (we will be successful) would be successful at establishing peace and preventing such high tensions experience from WW2 all the way until the end of the Cold War. ^ See how easy it is to debunk conspiracy theorist claims?
I get where, you are coming from. I certainly applaud them for being skeptics and questioning authority, but, to say it bluntly, they are doing it wrong. Like you said, many have faulty logic, and a good amount just question the wrong things. You don't see them asking why we have so many obese in this country, even though that is a national concern. You don't see them questioning PETA's 97% kill rate among rescued animals. You don't see them pushing for useful things like stem-cell research and pro-choice legislation. It just angers me that they can speak so passionately about mostly fictional matters, yet turn a blind eye to real problems.
New World Order can be thrown around with any agenda and hold different meaning. Does keeping peace necessarily always mean restricting freedom? Why do people always think martial law or rank and file when a world government is proposed? Why can't have a peaceful planetary government? Maybe not yet why must we assume we will devolve instead of evolve? Maybe things will get horrible before things get better, maybe nations will collapse as they have time and time again along with this new world order. Maybe afterwords another coming of Jesus will come and unite us all, the same people will be calling it the new world order and deny him. Regardless of religion I do have hope and faith in humanity to some extent, I do not believe we are inherently evil.
The U.N has bad written all over it... if an american soldier chooses to not wear their insignia they can be thrown in jail.. they supersede each individual nation's sovereignty. they already have control of all the armies under it. At that age, George bush would have had knowledge of some NWO they're building towards.. he's sneaking it in for mass acceptance by saying it in that context. others have said the same things (who are in power and friends of others in power) about a NWO coming.. not in the same context after the 'fall of the soviet union'. lol okay but enough of your context argument which holds little standing.. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHJkS-bAJv8&feature=related]Barack Obama - New World Order - YouTube[/ame] [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqYLCx83TMg&feature=related]OBAMA - One World Government "the only way" - YouTube[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH8HrCuXNhs[/ame]
Oh no, you have to wear an insignia in the army. What a tragedy! What does this have to do with NWO again? The first video- Obama says he'd like to see a new order, in which countries high in poverty and low in education, advance into modern ones. THE HORROR! Second video- Obama says all nations should aid each other in advancing, to increase the standard of living. HOW DARE HE? This is really pathetic. It's desperate, in fact. If these videos are all it takes to brainwash some people, then that's pretty scary.
lol there is a huge order between the nations that is growing in power.. all militaries are subject to it.. it was referenced as the "new world order" according to you as well.. hmm pretty sure this type of power is a problem that ISN'T checked. no wonder you troll so hard when you have problems understanding this..(please don't enter politics... or at least don't try starting your own country.. your constitution would most likely be horrid) see, you still can't grasp the simple concept I wrote in my previous post.. They use different words to imprint it into the minds of americans. Say it enough and it gets accepted easier.. just like with how they said "terror", "terrorism", etc so much just to get the affect across. LOL you didn't quote how he also said in the second video "It's not a choice". dude you don't have any good arguments and you purposely cast a biased view.. you attack the group, that's it. lol yah, i'm brainwashed.. because i realize americans are at wage slave status. and that people in the government aren't the nicest guys around,are quite corrupt and are most likely harming us in more ways than one.
I agree, I really wonder if a lot of people who advertise youtube vids classifying them as proof have picked up a dictionary and looked at the word 'Context', understood it, watched their own videos and comprehended the context of that video. Greatest example being the 18mins speech JFK gave, and had two minutes of it cut out because it mention secret societies and had that blown out of proportion, yet if they watched the whole thing JFK himself even debunks the crazy conspiracy theory there. Everyone takes one statement from a speech, dissects it, completely ignores it's real context and interjects some fear and a little propaganda and you've got a snowball of pure farcical bullshit rolling downhill.
Why would you go into the military and take off your insignia unless you are a rebel without a cause. What justice does it do other than harm, you are not in the military to practice individualism. It's a job, you don't say, I don't feel like being a general today and take off your insignia, if you have a problem with it, resign or get thrown in jail for your cause. There is a level of order and law for reason sometimes, if there is a system of "rank" that order must be honored. Once everyone starts taking off their insignia "rank" is invalid. Either follow it or do away with it completely. I would not follow an officer with that mindset. I would not put my life in the hands of someone so flakey. I don't see whats wrong with the first video, why not bring order? Look at ancient greece/rome and look at tribal colonies in Africa today. If a country is willing to take our support, food and even democracy, is there harm in that? To think that a nation does not want some form of conquest is naive. How does this prove Obama is part of and being controlled by a secret society. The video was discredited as soon as I saw "Obama might be black, but he is still a politician". "Might be black"? are you fucking kidding me. The second video plays the Imperial theme from Star Wars, what the hell is that implying, that hes trying to make an intergalactic empire? Are these videos dumbed down to appeal to the mass? Give me something irrefutable. It is nothing more than a fraternity, let them do their rituals if it helps them sleep at night unless you fear them and consider it legit. This is in no way convincing that a secret society is controlling the world.
absolutely nothing to do with what i said lmao i said you have to wear the UN insignia over the country you are from.. and support allegiance to the UN OVER your own country's allegiance.. OR you're thrown in jail.. SO if it directly affects your country negatively, you STILL have to play by the rules. the UN's rules.. or be thrown in jail. lol i'ma bounce out this thread now. people acting like they're intelligent yet can't comprehend elementary concepts. LMAO it wouldn't matter if they didn't come off pretentious and pedantic, while misconstruing my message. hopefully some competent folks show up soon
I suppose that it's my fault I misunderstood the way you write? It is not clear at all. " The U.N has bad written all over it... if an american soldier chooses to not wear their insignia they can be thrown in jail.. they supersede each individual nation's sovereignty." I do not understand the way you think, if you want to be persuasive write with the reader in mind. There is little continuity. The "...'s" and capitalizing whole words don't help. Again, if you are under the U.N., working for the U.N., why not wear the insignia? It is multi-national, if I am in the U.N., I would want to be able to identify others as peers rather than a visiting soldier. When you see that insignia, you know who your peers are, if they don't have it on, you can assume you don't have the same employer. What is wrong with a simple level of order?