New Republic calls for Obama to use military on Republicans to force them into compliance

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  1. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114945/two-russians-walk-parliamentary-crisis
     
     
    Well, Boris Yeltsin, Russia's first democratically elected president, was once faced with a similar situation exactly 20 years ago, in October 1993. The parliament, then called the Supreme Soviet, was increasingly against Yeltsin's neoliberal economic reforms (suggested to him by young Western advisors like Jeffrey Sachs). On one hand, these reforms freed up the old Soviet command economy. On the other, they drove the country into chaos and violence, and left tens of millions impoverished, their savings nullified by skyrocketing inflation. The parliament, dominated by old Soviet conservatives, was increasingly against these reforms and refused to confirm Yeltsin's key economic advisor. Yeltsin held a national referendum, a sort of national vote of confidence, which he won, and used it as a justification for what he did next.
    Almost exactly 20 years ago, he dissolved parliament. The vice president and the speaker of the parliament dissolved Yeltsin's presidency, and holed up with their supporters in the parliament's headquarters, now known as "the White House."
    Then Yeltsin did this to it. 
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  2. #2 StoopidLow, Oct 2, 2013
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    To be honest to me congress has committed an act of treason. They have consistantly brought our nation down and it would be nice to have a recall election of all senators and re-write our law to reflect todays society. Starting with anti-corruption bills and "cleaning" the closet of old and/or unnecessary laws regulations that afflict our ability to prosper.

    I don't believe removing them with violence will help either, in the long run it would make it worse
     
  3. just mak eit so congress runs 1 term... would fix all this shit
     
  4. #4 Carne Seca, Oct 2, 2013
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    I got a better idea.  Why don't we start a recall on all the Representatives who are making this mess?  By the way, has anyone paid attention to the stock market this morning?  The shit is starting to roll downhill.  
     
  5. #5 zpyro, Oct 3, 2013
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    So you prefer people who have absolutely NO fear of losing their seats...?? You prefer that Congressmen pass whatever stupid bullshit they want since they won't have to run for reelection?? That's ridiculous.
     
    Term limits already exist. They're called ELECTIONS. Of course, with gerrymandering some politicians maintain their seats, but that just shows the problem there is the gerrymandering, not the lack of term limits.
     
    Without term limits, politicians have to worry about being fired if they pass garbage laws. Yes, this relies upon the people actually voting with their brains, but again, the problem there isn't the lack of term limits but with the lack of education/intelligence of the people. This is why deToqueville said democracy can only last until the people figure out that they can abuse the system and game it for their own gains. This is also why the Constitution was written to help prevent such a scenario. And, yet again, this shows the problem is NOT with the Constitution, because the damn thing isn't even followed anymore. It's like ignoring the rules of a football game, while simultaneously bitching about the rules of the game. If you're not following the rules, how can you blame the outcome on the rules??
     
     
     
    With term limits, politicians are free to shit in the pool all they want because they're getting out and won't have to swim in it anymore.
     
    Without term limits, they at least have to worry about having to swim in the shit themselves.
     
     
     
    There's a reason lame ducks suck dick. They don't have to worry about making anybody happy because they're termed out anyways.
     
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    That's not businesses necessarily actually taking losses. It's a reflection of consumer confidence in the stock market, which is a perception of the perception of others. It hasn't really tanked that hard.
     
    Every time someone important talks about this stuff the stock market reacts. You can read stories about one person's tweet increasing a stock by significant amounts. It doesn't really mean much.
     
  7. #7 zpyro, Oct 3, 2013
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    I say recall Reid. He's the one being a petulant little child. These fucks somehow think that just because they railroaded their bullshit legislation through, it's etched in stone. They say, "elections have consequences!!" Yes, they do. That's why the Republicans have control of the House. If Obamacare was such a referendum, Dems would have control of both houses of Congress. They do not. As such, they are obligated to negotiate.
     
    They say just pass the CR and we'll debate Obamacare afterwards. BULLSHIT. If the Republicans give in, they're giving up any and all leverage they have. If they cave, they don't deserve reelection. EVER.
     
    Dems say the Republicans have "no right" to make demands. Once again, BULLSHIT. This is EXACTLY why we have the House and EXACTLY why they control the purse and EXACTLY why we have elections. Since the Republicans control the House, Reid and the rest of the children in the Senate are obligated to come to the table and negotiate. Because of this obligation, the shutdown is entirely upon Reid and his leghumpers. If they would have compromised and delayed Obamacare, it would be a different story. Instead they remain intransigent, as if they still control the House and can continue to shove their legislative dicks down our collective throat.
     
    If the Dems wanted Obamacare to stick, maybe they should have gotten a few Republican votes on it. Maybe they should have carried the House. They didn't, and they didn't, so IMO they can all go fuck themselves with a big black rubber dick.
     
    And NO LUBE!! Only classy whores deserve lube.
     
  8. ^ well, to be honest, republicans and democrats should never be elected ever again. but that's beyond my control
     
  9. #9 Carne Seca, Oct 3, 2013
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    One big problem with your post.  ACA is law.  It's the law of the land.  Obama campaigned and won his second election on the ACA.  The SCOTUS ruled that ACA is constitutional.  "Obamacare" not only stuck but it's constitutional.  The ones that "need to get over it" are the tea party members that are destroying our economy and wrecking lives because they can't get over that fact.   Never in the history of our nation has anything close to this has happened.   The Democrats have bent over backwards to accommodate the GOP and have been asking for over a year to have the GOP sit down and talk about it.   Boehner refused time and time again.  This is a matter of record not a Fox News fable.   Yes, elections have consequences and that consequence is Obama in the Oval Office.  
     
    The reason the House has a majority is due to gerrymandering districts and suppressing voter rights.  It was a concerted effort that put the tea party candidates into the House.  They admitted this.  In January of 2013, a memo entitled, "How a Strategy of Targeting State Legislative Races in 2010 Led to a Republican U.S. House Majority in 2013," They campaigned on shutting down the government.  That was their agenda from the start.  They bragged about it.   And it all started with Citizens United.  Billions of dollars poured into campaigns around the U.S. to get these people into office.  The Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch bankrolled the Tea Party.  
     
    So keep believing that it's the Democrats causing all the issues.  Keep that head in the sand.  
     
    edit:  brain fart.
     
  10. Obama care is in the constitution now? Hmmm news to me.


    Why can Obama change, extend, and grant waivers to the law? The law is written and passed as it was written. How cam one man change it for his political benefit?
     
  11. #11 0ri0n, Oct 3, 2013
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    I recall reading a clause that states the American people can abolish the government to create a more fitting, current one whenever the need arises. Not in those exact words, but it's a premise that we should follow, fuck this system we have now. Viva la revolución!
    It's too bad most everyone is so damn apathetic though. This is some 1984 Orwellian shit going down lately, we're just proles, sheep.
    And I imagine any attempt to overthrow the government would result in martial law being imparted, probably even internment camps.
     
  12. My life hasnt changed any. Obama should have never got re elected. Ron paul 2016
     
  13. at least the Russians had the balls to be honest about it. Americans get all this going behind our backs with the media, the next few years should be interesting though
     
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    Sorry meant to say Obamacare is constitutional.  Lack of sleep is fucking with my brain. 
     
  15. Well, maybe limit them to TWO terms, but no less than THREE. And if you decide to limit the terms to a maximum of FOUR then definately no more than SIX. Anything mre than that would be bullshit!
     
  16. #16 zpyro, Oct 5, 2013
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    Sure, it's law. Law passed by Democrats and Democrats alone. That it is constitutional is irrelevant, because it's not being argued that it's unconstitutional, and just because a law is found constitutional does not make that law a sound or smart one.
     
    The ones that are "destroying our economy and wrecking lives" are those who continue to hold onto a bullshit law passed by one party through parliamentary tricks and wasn't even read before being passed. There are countless examples of people being absolutely, completely fucked over with this garbage law, losing their coverage and paying out the ass for it. But since the Democrats railroaded it through, it's etched in stone and is great for all, right?
     
    The only thing Democrats are bending over are the people who don't want their shitty law. They don't compromise on anything, the fuck are you talking about?? Where did they get a single Republican vote?? Where have they conceded anything to Republicans on this?
     
    Obama being in office is NOT the only election that matters. The Republicans put up a garbage loser candidate and their voters stayed home or voted for Ron Paul or others. If the Republicans had a clearly different, worthwhile candidate, their voters actually voted, and they still lost, your point might just have some legitimacy. But since none of those are true, the fact that an incumbent president won reelection does not mean he has the backing of the People. To assume otherwise is to make an ass of yourself. The House is much closer to the will of the People, and it's Republican controlled. How they got there is irrelevant, since how the Democrats got Obamacare passed is apparently irrelevant to you. Law is law, right??
     
    And no, I don't believe that it's the Democrats causing all the issues. Bullshit straw man. They are the ones causing THIS issue. They are the ones refusing to compromise. They are the ones refusing to negotiate. They are the ones who are claiming that since the law was shoved down our throats by one party and one party alone, it is untouchable and etched in stone.
     
    If they didn't want so much pushback on it, they should have included Republicans in it. If/when the Republicans have majority control, I guess you'll be just A-OK when they railroad bullshit laws over the minority party, right? Because that's how our government should work, one extreme to the other, no compromise, no negotiation, right? I'm sure it will be fucking stupendous when Republicans shove their own bullshit legislation through, and I'm sure there won't be a single voice of contention from the other side. Nope, this is how our Federal govt should legislate, one group of people forcing everybody else in the damn country to go along with their bullshit agenda. Fucking brilliant.
     
    There were no "suppressing voter rights." That' just more bullshit. There was trying to make sure the dead didn't vote, trying to make sure real citizens voted and only voted once. There were people who bragged about voting more than once, there are tons of examples of dead people voting, there are tons of examples of empty buildings and lots having multiple voters for Obama. There were people who proved just how easy it was to falsify identity, since they can't require ID (yet ID is required on practically every other damn thing we do). Democrats steal votes and gerrymander just as much as Republicans, so don't try to pass that partisan horseshit over on me. What's bullshit for the Republicans is just as bullshit for the Democrats. Gerrymandered districts need to be done away with, sure, but, as you're contending, the rules are the rules, right? Law is law? Well then gerrymandering is legal, so it, too, should stay forever. :rolleyes:
     
    Keep that head up your ass, buddy. Leaves a lil less room for the Democrat party's cock to fit in there.
     
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    I'm not sure if this was more red herring or straw man. :confused_2:
     
  19. Could just be the standard faulty logic of the right. :smoke:
     

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