New Clones, First Grow, Time To CFL

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from what I can see of your box, it looks good, I want to see the rest though
I would suggest, since you have limited space, you are really only going to be able to fit one plant in your box and being that you have two and one is looking pretty sick, I would ditch that one and focus on the one that looks good. the sick one can come back if shes treated right but she will be so far behind the other one that you will probably end up ditching it anyways.

as far as topping, when you have 5 nodes, i believe is the suggested time to top. as far as training it goes, I would use that rack thats in there and try to train it through that so you have plenty of spots to tie it down. when your clone is growing again, you could top it then, i would say have at least three sets of leaves before doing it though.

miracle grow, it works....its not the best and you can burn them to easily with it. I havent personally used it myself but thats only because everywhere I have read says to avoid it at all costs. if its the only thing you have available, so be it but you should try to get different stuff if you have the funds. before using more nutes though I would let her adapt to her surroundings more, they can definitely go into shock from a new environment and it would be bad if you shocked it even more by over dosing it with nutes. since you are new, start slow and try to dial in the environment before feeding. ive had a couple friends that arent successful at first and give up because they find it to be to hard to maintain everything. its all really quite easy if you have the patients and the willingness to learn.
good luck
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Dude its your journal, don't apologize for asking questions here. I would flush and then switch your lights to 12/12 then switch to your bloom nutes. Ideally, the rule of thumb is to switch to flowering when your plant is healthy and about two to three times smaller than you want the final plant to be. If you're using the scrog method you should switch when your screen is 80 percent full. Time wise switch after 3-5 weeks of vegging. You don't have alot of space to work with so you have to switch sooner than normal.
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As for the droopy clone....it should be perky & standing tall & healthy witnin 2-3 hours of light. I had a problem where the top 5-6 inches of my SKUNK-47 plant was broken off. I noticed as soon as I went to check on my room. It must have broke the day before as I was reaching over to water another plant....anyways, I immediately cut it totally off of the plant & cloned it. Within 2 hours it went from dead to perfectly alive & perky!! So Im gonna say that if that clone is still (after several hours) droopy I would toss it & concentrate on the good one. Just like someone above said, if it does survive (which I think it will) it will be behind the healthy one.

And GOOD LUCK with your grow!! Looking at the set up I would say that 1 plant will be plenty. Try scrogging 1 maybe!! Trust me the space will fill up quick. I thought that my space 4x4x6 would fit alot & I was told by many people that I should do only 4-5. Well I didnt listen & I had 12!! Well they really suffered. My first 6 grew nice & large & bushy but my next 6 didnt have much room & they grew skinny & tall with alot of stretching. My 1st batch is flowering now & I know I will get much more than I am gonna with my 2nd batch. So I should have listened & did less. The plants will grow where there is space. If its tight, they will grow upwards & stretch for the light.

Check out my grow anytime. My signature is the link. I have White Widows and 1 Skunk-47. 6 of them are currently in week 7 of flowering. I just added 3 pics yesterday. Again, good luck.

 

I would concentrate on the healthy plant. It probably will come back but it will be behind considerably. Im not sure how to treat it with the red stem, maybe someone else can help.

 

I cant tell if it has grown in any of the pics. I myself wouldnt really start scrog until they have descent roots. But thats just me. Do they have roots yet?? or are they brand new clones? As for how long to veg...that is up to you. remember tho you will need enough room for them to flower because they will double in size. I wouldnt veg for at least a few weeks & see where they are then. The red stem...I am not sure either. I have read about red stems but forgot what it meant, lol. I dont think it was good tho. Research will be smart for these. SG's thread is a good read & he can also answer your tough questions. thats where I turn to when I need answers about my grow.

 

Patients patients patients
The best advice I got with my first grow was to leave it the fuck alone it's solid advice. Dude above brought up a good question. Are they brand new clones or were they rooted by the time you got them?
I would say that adding nutes could potentially cause more stess. If they aren't healthy more stress would be bad. Wait to feed it more for a week. Water it with pure ph'd water. But skip the nutes until you notice improvements. There are alot of stress points that she needs to get adjusted to before you can start pushing her.
How hot does your cabinet run, by the way?
Do you have a ph test kit? Most water runs high so you have to be able to control that or it won't matter what you feed it because there will be lock outs. I usually like to keep my ph at 6.8 but when I'm feeling lazy I am happy with 6.5-6.9. Red stems are typically an iron deficiency. honestly I usually have red stems through out my grows. It probably cuts down on my yield and potency but there are alot of other things to get right that will effect your girls worse than an iron deficiency.
It's hard to notice a growth change when you're peaking at her throughout the days. Next time you water her, don't check on her for a couple days and you'll notice a change. I know it's hard not to look but give it a shot. If, at this point in its life, it's a healthy plant, you will notice changes every couple days. After all, it is a weed
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Just use water until you see some improvements. My advice. They don't NEED nutes this early in the game, make sure she's healthy before giving her food she's never had. If you must feed nutes to her I would go 1/4 strength from what the instructions say.
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I've never used Epson salt before, what does that do?
Drown? I wouldn't drown her. I would start your water regiment, either every day, every other or a couple times a week, whatever works best for you and your schedule. Drowning could potentially cause more stress. Do you have extra Perlite anywhere? If not you should get some, super cheap and readily available. You're going to want higher humidity in this stage. I like to put a layer of Perlite down, mist it and then put my growing pot on top of the Layer of Perlite, this raises my humidity and eliminates the need to mist all day. It's not bad if the soil dries up a bit, you want it to so the roots have something to look for. Drowning it could lead to over watering which leads to droopy leaves, rotten roots and in most cases fungal gnats. I water my plant every day. Little bit at a time. This early your plants probably only need about 1/4 - 1/2 cups a day, at most. If you don't want to water it every day, water it until you see water draining out of the bottom. A great way to see if she needs water is by taking generic wood Chop sticks and pushing it down to the bottom of your growing pot, let it sit there for a while and pull it out. You'll be able to see exactly how wet it is on the bottom.
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There will be. Nothing to worry about. These are resilient plants that will try to adapt and survive in alot of different conditions. I personally don't think your clone looks bad. They are however fragile in this state so you want to only give it what it needs to survive and not stuff that will help it thrive to be the biggest and best... Yet. My buddy that I am helping, for example, he has a good success rate for clones but they look like shit for a while. It can take a couple weeks for them to start really growing. When I first started helping him he had 4 clones, the runt of the litter, he was thinking about tossing, so I showed him how to super crop on a sick clone and now that clone is one of his best plants. Just have patients and in a week from now if you're having issues then you should do something about it. I remember you saying you had hardware stores around you. I highly suggest going to one and getting a bottle of b1. Much cheaper at a hardware store, a gallon should be no more than $10. B1 is an awesome product to have for clones and vegging plants
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