Need to READ!!!

Ok, I recieved this from my husband, and I have never read anything more important than this.. I can not validate the true intention behind this, but I can say that everything in it is as true as honesty gets. I hope you all read it, and pass it on, because it\'s SOO Very Important. I hope that you can also see the importance. God Bless, whatever God you may believe in. NOTE: This is a long post, but WELL worth it.

This was written by a retired attorney, to his sons, May 19, 2004.

Dear Tom, Kevin, Kirby and Ted,

As your father, I believe I owe it to you to share some thoughts on the
present world situation. We have over the years discussed a lot of
important things, like going to college, jobs and so forth. But this
really takes precedence over any of those discussions. I hope this might
give you a longer term perspective that fewer and fewer of my generation
are left to speak to. To be sure you understand that this is not
politically flavored, I will tell you that since Franklin D. Roosevelt,
who led us through pre and WWII (1933 - 1945) up to and including our
present President, I have without exception, supported our presidents on
all matters of international conflict. This would include just naming a
few in addition to President Roosevelt - WWII: President Truman - Korean
War 1950; President Kennedy - Bay of Pigs (1961); President Kennedy -
Vietnam (1961); [1] eight presidents (5 Republican & 4 Democrat) during
the cold war (1945 - 1991); President Clinton\'s strikes on Bosni! a
(1995) and on Iraq (1998). [2] So be sure you read this as completely
non-political or otherwise you will miss the point.

Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as
we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes
WWII). The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that
there are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and
even fewer who realize what losing really means.

First, let\'s examine a few basics:

1. When did the threat to us start?
Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as far as the United
States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the
following attacks on us: Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; Beirut, Lebanon
Embassy 1983; Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; Lockerbie, Scotland
Pan-Am flight to New York 1988; First New York World Trade Center attack
1993; Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998; Dar es Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000; New York World Trade Center 2001; Pentagon
2001. (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581
terrorist attacks worldwide). [3]

2. Why were we attacked?
Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks
happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush
1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or
Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or
their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.

4. Who were the attackers?
In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

5. What is the Muslim population of the World?
25%

6. Isn\'t the Muslim Religion peaceful?
Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the
predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under
the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made
no difference. You either went along with the administration or you were
eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for
political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (
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http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm). Thus, almost the same number
of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the 6 million holocaust Jews
who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of anything other than the
Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews,
he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of
exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German, ! Christian
or any others. Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on
the US, but kill all in the way - their own people or the Spanish,
French or anyone else.. [5] The point here is that just like the
peaceful Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no
matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection
for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically
bent on doing - by their own pronouncements - killing all of us
infidels. I don\'t blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the
choice was shut up or die?

6. So who are we at war with?
There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the
Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid
verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if
you don\'t clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.

So with that background, now to the two major questions:
1. Can we lose this war?
2. What does losing really mean?

If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions.

We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the
major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the
answer to the second question - What does losing mean? It would appear
that a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our
heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our business, like
post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get. What losing
really means is:

We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will
not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us
dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not
have produced an increasing series of attacks against us over the past
18 years. The plan was clearly to terrorist attack us until we were
neutered and submissive to them.

We would of course have no future support from other nations for fear of
reprisals and for the reason that they would see we are impotent and
cannot help them.

They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will
be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It
doesn\'t matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its
troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed
their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they
want Spain to do, will be done. Spain is finished.

The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they
might see the light and realize that if we don\'t win, they are finished
too, in that they can\'t resist the Muslim terrorists without us.
However, it may already be too late for France. France is already 20%
Muslim and fading fast. See the attached article on the French condition
by Tom Segel. [6]

If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will
all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us
if they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can\'t stop the Muslims,
how could anyone else? The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war
and therefore are completely committed to winning at any cost. We better
know it too and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple.
Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put
100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take
that 100% effort to win.

So, how can we lose the war? Again, the answer is simple. We can lose
the war by imploding. That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to
recognize the enemy and their purpose and really digging in and lending
full support to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that
we can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can
win.

Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don\'t comprehend the
life and death seriousness of this situation.

- President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.
Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men
between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow
profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This
is war. For the duration we are going to have to give up some of the
civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to
lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose
all of them permanently. And don\'t worry that it is a slippery slope. We
gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII and immediately restored them
after the victory and in fact added many more since then. Do I blame
President Bush or President Clinton before him? No, I blame us for
blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness and
all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful,
honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your
head! .

- Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us
lose. I hasten to add that this isn\'t because they are disloyal. It is
because they just don\'t recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that
conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and
weakening, it concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our
cause.

- Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media
regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war perhaps exemplifies
best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue involving the
treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war by a small group of our
military police. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago
were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands,
cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just
for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein. And just a few years ago these same
type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the
same reason. They are also the same type enemy fighters who recently
were burning Americans and dragging their charred corpses through the
streets of Iraq. And still more recently the same type enemy that was
and is providing videos to all news sources internationally, of the
beheading of an American prisoner they held. Compare this with some of
our pres! s and politicians who for several days have thought and talked
about nothing else but the \"humiliating\" of some Muslim prisoners - not
burning them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets,
not beheading them, but \"humiliating\" them. Can this be for real? The
politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary
of Defense. If this doesn\'t show the complete lack of comprehension and
understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life
and death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this
war, nothing can. To bring our country to a virtual political standstill
over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as
Rome burned - totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world.
Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife.
Again I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media
people are disloyal. It simply means that they abso! lutely oblivious to
the magnitude of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim
terrorists have been pushing us for many years. Remember, the Muslim
terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels. That translates into all
non-Muslims - not just in the United States, but throughout the world.
We are the last bastion of defense.

- We have been criticized for many years as being \'arrogant\'. That
charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we
believe that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the
hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands
tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world. We can\'t.
If we don\'t recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive,
and no other free country in the World will survive if we are defeated.
And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow
freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of
the Press, equal rights for anyone - let alone everyone, equal status or
any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way
that contributes to the good of the World.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or
we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of
the Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history
books to be written or read.

If we don\'t win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims
take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to
increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little
by little on the established French traditions. The French will be
fighting among themselves over what should or should not be done, which
will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve.
Doesn\'t that sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don\'t have their freedoms taken away from them by some
external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away,
politically correct piece by politically correct piece. And they are
giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that they
abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once
they are in power. They have universally shown that when they have taken
over, they then start brutally killing each other over who will be the
few who control the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the
politically correct, about the \"peaceful Muslims\"?

I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
united, there is no way that we can lose. I believe that after the
election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the
critical situation we are in and will unite to save our country. It is
your future we are talking about. Do whatever you can to preserve it.

Love, Dad

[1] By the way on Vietnam, the emotions are still so high that it is
really not possible to discuss it. However, I think President Kennedy
was correct. He felt there was a communist threat from China, Russia and
North Vietnam to take over that whole area. Also remember that we were
in a \'cold war\' with Russia. I frankly think Kennedy\'s plan worked and
kept that total communist control out, but try telling that to anyone
now. It just isn\'t politically correct to say so. Historians will answer
this after cool headed research, when the people closest to it are all
gone.

[2] As you know, I am a strong President Bush supporter and will vote
for him. However, if Senator Kerry is elected, I will fully support him
on all matters of international conflict, just as I have supported all
presidents in the past.

[3] Source for statistics in Par. 1 is
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http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001454.html

[4] The Institute of Islamic Information and Education.
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http://www.iiie.net/Intl/PopStats.html

[5] Note the attached article by Tom Segel referred to in footnote 6
infra, the terrorist Muslim have already begun the havoc in France. (The
note was not attached to the E-mail I received. Gene)

[6] I checked this article with two sources - Hoax Busters and Urban
Myths. It does not come up as a Hoax on either. I also then E-mailed Mr.
Segel and he confirmed the article was his.

[7] \"I don\'t think the Army or any branch of service runs any type of
war any more. It\'s done by senators and congressmen. There are too many
civilians involved.\" Returning Iraq veteran, Sgt. 1st Class Greg Klees
as quoted in the Cedar Rapids, IA Gazette on May 13th, 2004.

[8] There are 64 Muslim countries. This does not count countries like
Spain that are controlled by the Muslim terrorists.

 

This is exactly my point behind posting this. You obviously are ignorant to the real facts behind this situation. You have too much blind faith. If you think the world trade center was the last attack, you\'ll be sadly mistaken. As for not being at war with anyone, Clinton ordered CONSTANT bombs to be dropped on afghanistan, or are you too young to remember all that.. or maybe it\'s because I\'m actually apart of the military that I know this information, but if you really want to get technical this has been going on since before BOTH of us were born. And a BUDGET!! What a joke, are you like 12? ( I dont mean it as an insult more as an observation of your ignorance of the situation) These terrorists are funded by those billionaires from the Oil rich countries, Like Iraq, who are more than happy to send millions of dollars their way if they can promise to make a difference. They\'re aren\'t typically funded by governments, they are funded by individuals, and to someone who makes a billion dollars a year or more a few million is pocket change. If you want to \"babble\" at least make sure you know what you\'re talking about, because you just made your self look like a fool. Just about everything in your post was ignorant and blindly false. Look, I personally am not a fan of Bush, but being so close to the military and having friends who have come back from Afghanistan and Iraq I know the REAL threat. and if you\'re going to believe everything the media tells you, then by all means, Ignorance is bliss, but I\'d rather KNOW what I\'m involved in. FYI their ARMY was previously TRAINED by OUR ARMY.. or did you not know that either? Perhaps you should do some research of your own and stop buying the BS that you hear from the TV.

 

Again you\'re talking countries, it has NOTHING to do with a country... and just so you know, I haven\'t smoked in about 4 months, look if you\'re only defence is to attack me personally, instead of posting intelligent retorts about provided information then obviously you really have nothing useful to say. You have hurt feelings and the only way to get back at me is to make jabs about me being a \"dumb broad...who really has nothing better to do then post pointless information none of us really give a shit about\" How sad. you could have at least come up with a better insult than that! And if no one cared (you forinstance) why respond? there have been plenty of other people who have read the post and moved on, whatever they took of it or left of it didn\'t matter, so obviously you thought you could say something to make yourself look good and perhaps get people impressed with you\'re insight and ability to call someone out to make them look foolish, and it backfired, making YOU look foolish. And Yes, THEY WILL attack us again. Mark my words this is not the end. Hopefully you\'re next post will be a little more interesting to read.. how about you sit down witha pen and paper and think up some decent insults, something we can all have a good laugh at, and then get back to me. Dont hurt yourself though.

 

In all honesty, there are a few parts of this that are not compleatly true, the reasons given for instance. The Muslim terrorists dont hate us because we\'re free.. there are lots of other countries that are free they hate us for one main reason, Isreal. We\'re their bulldog, Blindly doing as our master says. I hate to think of America as blind, ignorant and following orders, but we are. Isreal recieves millions of dollars a year from us to support their occupateion of palistine, their nuclear research, and other friendly, fun-loving adventures. *http://www.refuseandresist.org/newwar/031402palestine.html AND http://www.bullatomsci.org/research/collections/israel.html
Also, it is not uncommon for us to go into battle against Isralie enemies, even though they dont really pose much threat to anyone else. Which means those previously stated enemies of Isreal now have to defend agains us as well... In fact When the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993 by Ramsi Yousef, U.S. investigators openly admitted that the purpose was to punish the United States for its support of Israel

http://www.cnn.com/US/9801/08/yousef/
A video tape released in May 2002 repeats identical sentiments. In it, bin Laden directly states that \"The war is between us and the Jews... Any country that steps into the same trench as the Jews has only herself to blame.\"
The cause of Middle Eastern terrorism against the United States is a direct result of supporting Israel and could be immediately stopped if we stopped supporting Israel. Even Mullah Omar offered benevolent advice when he said \"There were reasons behind these great deeds. America should seek to remove these reasons -- and it knows them well -- so that such accidents do not reoccur.\" The alternative is to let the United States become a battleground for Middle Eastern conflicts while continuing to fund Israeli interests.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=165110
I put the original post up not so much for the informatin contained, because I personally feel some of it is just propaganda, but more for the message, that there is a possibility that we may loose, and what could happen if we did. perhaps, in hindsight, I should have edited the post to include only what I felt was important, and relevent. Oh well.

 

I truely hope we can avoid conflict, somehow, but like you said both sides are trying to escalate it, and the only thing we can do is come together as a country and vote accordingly, seems a bit far fetched to me, but who knows...

The muslim people who are being opressed need to rise up for themselves and we need to keep a tight leash on our own leaders to stop wars that only bolster the message of terrorists. [/QUOTE]

Again, I agree, but somehow I dont see the muslims doing that.. and we haven\'t been able to even GET a leash on our leaders.... I have little faith, but lots of hope...

 

HAHAHAHA... Ok buddy, whatever you say. Just so you know, I dont\' work for the government, but everyone I know does. I never acted like a supreem Godess.. I have a question, why is it if a GUY knows al ittle something about a conversation, he\'s seen as informed and educated, if a woman knows about it, she\'s a supreem Goddess who thinks she knows everything. If you have done any reading of your own on politics, then you\'d know that my postings were closer to the truth than Duffy\'s were. Maybe you think it\'s ok to buy into whatever the media says is going on, and walk around like a drone, but I refuse to.. if that means people think I think too highly of myself, I could care less. And Religion? Yes, I am ready. I didn\'t judge him, I pointed out flaws in his post. So having a different oppinion means I\'m judging... really? Good to know, in that case, maybe it\'s you who should think about wether you\'re ready. And what about all those people who don\'t believe in any kind of God... but I bet you dont even waste your time talking to them, since they\'re lost souls and can\'t possibly have good reasons behind their theories, right? This post was made to stimulate intelligent, educated, insightful conversation.. unfortunatly, the majority of what I got was from someone who knew almost nothing about the real situation . And that is the typical, \"it wont happen to me\" mentality. BTW, I haven\'t typed a single sintence in caps since this post started, so WHO needs to calm down? Somehow I doubt it\'s me. I think some people are just looking for someone to rant at.. funny how no one has anything to say about the topic.With the exception of KraziHare, who while we only agree on something were stilla ble to discuss it without this type of BS.. You know what.. that\'s cool, I\'m done even bothering with this type of crap. I\'ve made my point, and if you\'re not willing to acknowledge it then that\'s your fault not mine.

 

I agree... Alot of people seem to think it can\'t happen again, and they forget that was the same thought process that we had before 9/11... we have rediscovered our invincability, and I pray that our egotism doesn\'t cost more lives. All we can do is sit back, wait and pray that someone in charge knows what they are doing... of course the chances of that are about as good as everyone on this list winning the lottery, even that\'s not a good option... We should all just revolt! yeah.. that\'ll happen!

 

Just because I dont work for the government does not mean I\'m not a part of the military. I am a military spouce, which puts me in that atmosphere. I also leanr about things that most civilians dont typically know about.. at least not for a while. We are in Iraq because Saddam was a threat to us... or so that\'s what we were being Fed.. iwhatever the reason, I can say that dispite what some of the media is telling you, we have done something for those people that they had tried for yers to do for them selves and all it got them before was dead, tortured and mutilated. Honestly, I think we would ahve gone over there even if 9/11 had not happened. Do I think our current president was compleatly forthcoming with his intentions, no, do I think we should be over there, doing what we are, yes. I firmly beleive we are freeing those people. They have choices now.. they can decide what they wear, how they act, what they say, who the like and dont like, without the fear of then or their family being murdered, and in that sence we are doing wonderful things.. I\'m not going to even pretend to say it\'s perfect, or even that everyone over there apprieciates us, but the majority do. It is only small factions of people and groups that oppose us, and most are connected to the Terrorist portions of Al Queta (sp?) Just to see, how many people know there are several groups that are considered Al Queta and the majority of them are non violent? Every one uses that word to describe terrorist, but in actuallity most of them are not. Anyways, that\'s a different topic. I personally believe a life is a life despite what they believe. They are worth the same. As long as there is someone who will weep for their loss then that life was valuable. I do compleatly agree with closing our borders.. I can\'t be certain, because if it is happening, it would be top secret information and I dont ahve that type of clearance, but my husband said something about there being fewer and fewe muslim and Arab people around lately. He theorises that the govnt. is refusing more immigrants, and not renewing Visas, so more and more people are having to leave.. of course, we all know the immigrant situation, and how the majority of them are illegal anyways, and it\'s only theory, but it was worth a mention. Back after Japan attacked pearl harbor we rounded up all the japanees and held them in places much like concentration camps (assumingly without the torture) until the war was over because they didn\'t know who was on who\'s side. My husband thinks we should do it again... I\'m on the fence... but I totaly agree that we need to close our borders.

 

But I guess reading the whole thing doesn\'t support your post, so you\'ve managed to do it again. Please, I\'m begging you, post something worth taking the time out of my day to load this post, and scroll down to read, Please...
As for it being over money, every decision that is made can be traced back to money. that\'s a given.