Need help figuring out this leaf issue

Discussion in 'Outdoor Marijuana Growing' started by bigbuds99, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:02 PM.

  1. I'm looking for some help identifying the issue this plant is trying to show me. The organic bug has bitten me pretty hard and I'm obsessed with learning as much as I can. I'd love to hear any expert opinions out there, or even just educated guesses :)

    I've been using RO water for the whole entire run so I'm thinking Cal/Mg deficient? I'm also thinking it could be a K deficiency but the water has me thinking otherwise. I Think the issue may have been fixed in the last week because it does not seem to be getting any worse at this time.

    I top dressed with lots of different things over the last week so I'm not 100% sure what I did that may have helped or what it is I should be doing more of.




    Thanks for looking and I appreciate any input!

    P.S. I'm using regular tap water now.
  2. Improper pH will cause nute lockout. I experienced it pretty hard earlier this season until I actually decided to test my tap water and it was testing at around 8.5. I had various leaf symptoms which was not cool. Things look to be improving for you though. What nutes are you giving them???
  3. #3 bigbuds99, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:22 PM
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2018 at 12:52 AM
    Sorry, I forgot to mention this is my first organic run so I'm using a "super-soil" mix that I batched up before I really knew what I was doing.

    My First Mix:
    2 Bags Happy Frog = 4 Cubic Feet 30 Gallons

    4 Cubic Foot - Base Soil
    1 Cubic Foot - Perlite #3 Chunky
    1 Cubic Foot - Worm Castings
    1 Cubic Foot - Humus

    2 Cups Dolomite Lime - 1 Tbsp/Gal = 30 Tsbp (2Cups)
    2 Cups Kelp - 1/2 Cup Kelp Meal per cubic foot
    2 Cups Guano - 1/2 Cup Bat cubic foot

    1 Cup CottonSeed Meal - 1/4 Cup per cubic foot
    1 Cup Alfalfa Meal - 1/4 Cup Meal per cubic foot
    1 Cup Bio Live Meal - 1/4 Cup per cubic foot
    1 Cup Neem Seed Meal - 1/4 Cup per cubic foot

    In the last week I've done roughly the following: (not all at once)
    • Top dressed with Malibu Compost
    • 2 TSBP of Fish Bone Powder
    • 2 TSBP of Fish Hydroslate
    • 4 TSBP Gypsum
    • 4 TSB of Kelp extract ( .5-0-17) Vital brand

    I'm using Mofo's NTG revisited as my next base with a few tweaks.....looking for 40% aeration.
  4. very nice. I would definitely say it's more than likely water pH level. Here is a chart that shows what pH levels different nutes are absorbed in soil the best at. If your water isn't the correct pH it will not be able to uptake the nutrients in your soil... Best of luck.

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  5. Thanks for the input. I know that RO water also lacks buffering so PH could very well be the issue.

    My other ladies who flowered earlier were in 10G pots and they look much worse. I also hit those other ones pretty hard with Bat Guano so I think that swung the PH lower in those pots.

    I learned from that mistake and have been taking it easy with the next batch of girls in the 20G smarties. I think that running tap water will help moving forward as well. I'll have to break out the old PH/PPM meter and test the tap for good measure to make sure I know my inputs are solid.
  6. Any additives to the water will also alter the pH. I keep a 30 gallon barrel of pH'd water. It's tap water that's been pH'd down to around 6.5. I use it for my regular waterings. When I take a gallon of it for my FF nute feeding I always have to add 1.2ml of pH up to the jug after the nutes are added to get the pH back up to the 6.5 range.

    If you are adding additives to your waterings be sure to add those prior to adjusting pH and mix completely before testing.
  7. I've been ignoring PH because I've switched to organics and I'm in the process of trying to adopt the "water only" approach moving forward. The problem is that I did not build my soil correctly and used too small pots. Because of this I've been top dressing all kinds of stuff to help fix the problems.....probably making some things worse with regards to PH.

    Anyway, I've got my own worm farm started and have sourced all of the ingredients to correctly build my "living soil" for the next round. I'm going to try the SIP method in my tent this year, it looks very promising!

    Thanks again for the tips, I think you might be correct in your diagnosis. I'm really trying to stay ahead of this Blue Dream to minimize deficiencies during flowering.
  8. i would have added 3 cups humus and done away with the lime,the lime is gonna keep it at neutral 7,im no expert but do have a tip,go to amazon buy a little 14 dollar ph and npk test kit,easy to use and prevents ph problems from becoming issues,i like your mix other than the lime
  9. #9 bigbuds99, Aug 11, 2018 at 1:04 AM
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2018 at 1:15 AM
    Thanks for the idea, I'll probably grab one of those soil test kits to see whats going on. I used to have a cheap meter you could put in the soil but it was pretty worthless.

    I've also nixed the lime in my next batch of soil, although there is some already added to the ProMix.....going with pure CSPM next time.

    1 Bale of ProMix HP = 3.8 CF = 2.75 CSPM + 1.05 Perlite + *Lime + Wetting Agent + MYCORRHIZAE

    1:1:1 Base mix (33%) —> Should aim for 40% or more aeration!! *Lime included in base mix for PH, Ca, Mg

    2.8 CSPM (Base) —> 3.8 CF bale is only 65% - 75% CSPM
    2.8 Malibu (Humus) 20.95 Gal
    3.0 Perlite (Aeration) 22.44 Gal
    1.5 Lava Rock (Aeration) 11.22 Gal —> Perlite or Pumice would be lighter
    1.0 Rice Hulls (Silica, Fungi, Aeration) 7.48 Gal
    11 CF (82.3 Gal) @ ~40% aeration (50% with rice hulls which breakdown)

    ~ 90 Gal after amendments are added in

    Additional Amendments: Per cuF base mix: (For Living Portion of Soil - 7 CF)

    Kelp Meal - 7 Cups (Nitrogen, Potassium & Micronutrients)
    Crab Meal - 7 Cups (Nitrogen & Chitin)
    Neem Seed Meal - 7 Cups (Nitrogen & Pest)
    Oyster Flour - 7 Cups (Calcium & PH correction for CSPM)
    Alfalfa Meal - 3.5 Cups (Nitrogen & Micronutrients)
    Gypsum - 3.5 Cups (Sulphur)

    Glacial Rock Dust - 20 cups 1.25 Gal
    Bio-Char - 80 cups 5 Gal Gal

    ***Small handful of worms per container***
  10. be sure and charge your bio char before you put it in and i put my char in when the plants are put in ground,not under it around it about 3 in from transplant,make the roots search for it,i strongly suggest the bat guano to,high in phosphrus,i just made some soil yesterday,i found a 50 lb bag of ,crushed oyster shell and chicken eggs shells,14 bucks,great for you no what hahah,i got to ask though,why use the promix?you can take dirt from your yard and do a layer test,if all three layers are equal add all these amends to that,you will also find that top soil is mainly sand and clay ,there is you 2 layers so do a layer test on some and see what you have right under your feet first,id be glad to help you if needed,it is just as easy as filling a jar 3/4 full of your soil and add water
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  11. Promix was an impulse buy before I learned that HD has 3 CF bales of CSPM which have been cut in field and sent to store, bypassing the sterilization process, and much cheaper too.

    I just finished reading "The Ultimate Guide to Soil" this last week and did the soil test that you speak of, it turns out we have a heavy clay mixture. I just spent the weekend tilling and amending the flower bed in the backyard, it was a mess, all compact and lifeless. I've still got lots of work to do on that strip but I think I'm up to the challenge now :)
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  12. that jar dont lie does it,im doing the same i got 10 raised boxs 4x12 long doing the same,only done 2 boxs thus far haahahah,im coming up with adding a little more sand and a few needs a tad clay,thats why i asked about the pro mix,i used a 1;1;1 peatmoss compost vermiculite and perlite mix when i first built boxs,every year since i have to add more,so went with the traditional soil build,i cant keep up with the peat as a base,to dry and hot hear no way to keep it moist,the sand and clay will keep the soil moist at 4in deep anyway,as far as your clay,me the same,i have busted it up pretty good over 2 years with a shit load of compost and sand,i broke ground on a corn bed last year and it all clay there,so added sand to bust it up and compost about a ton of it,hahah,corn didnt do worth a shit ,so did ph test bed was 8.5 ph shit no wonder ,damn beans rocked so much in it ,i had to pull them couldnt keep up,hahahh,but got out yesterday and layed out a grid with string and leveled the whole thing out 12 x20ft bed,i already know i got clay out the ass,so local soil and stone yard near me ,let me come in and get bags full of soil to test,the sifted topsoil was almost equal balance,so im going 3inchs deep of putting that on,then 2 yrds of manure compost,tilling all that shit in cause i just cant hardly dig and shovel with my tired ass no more hahahah,but once i put the compost in and till the layers will be right and let it sit threw or 4 week winter and get after it again,lmao
  13. Wow, that's a LOT of work! Sounds like a labor of love, it has to be right ;) Keep up the good work!
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  14. it is,i got one garden down hill ,thats the one im speaking of,then i have a container garden on top of hill for mama she has titanium knees and cant get down hill,then i have my 2x4x5 tent in the utility room for the good stuff,so see what i mean about not able to keep up with watering,all in the layers my friend haahhh,by the way the peat moss did break down to silt over the 2 years,and it just enough to give that equal layer were i didnt have to come up with soil for silt,i live on a rock and all gardening is done and home made no joke,i forgot to mention that garden,every time it does rain which isnt often,it exposes my rock garden hahahahah

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