Need Flowering Tea Help Please

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  1. #1 Junglejim82, Jun 18, 2013
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    I want to make a tea for my organic grow. I am currently at day 24 of flower.

    Should my tea be fungal or bacteral or both?

    Here are the ingredients that I have to work with which should I use?.
    Crab meal 4-3-0
    Neem seed meal 5-1-2
    Bio live fertilizer 5-4-2
    Blood Meal 12-0-0
    Green sand 0-0-3
    Steamer bone meal 3-15-0
    Kelp meal 1-0.1-2
    Bud and bloom fert 4-10-7
    Azomite rock dust
    Alfalfa meal 2-0-2
    Indonesian bat guano 0.5-12-0.
    Maxi crop liquid seaweed
    Unsulphured molasses

    From everything I've read A fungus dominant tea will help more with the uptake of Phosporus.


    P.S. I've read a lot of post on this site and others regarding this topic however I always end up reading a bazilloon different things that aren't exactly definitive based on other objective post and multiple ways of doing things.
  3. So I take it your suggesting a bacterial tea vs fungal tea? Do you mind explaining why?

    Also with that are you suggesting no fungal tea at any point for rest of grow?
  4. #4 seaf0ur, Jun 18, 2013
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  5. I've read this link many times and have it bookmarked. I was looking for actual answers not links
  6. ok, I'll copy paste the relevant part so you can read as little as humanly possible and still consider yourself "educated"

    Through a plethora of trial and error brewing with a dissolved oxygen meter at hand we determined that a pretty reliable volume of [vermi]compost to use is 2.38% by volume of water used up to around a 250 gallon brewer.

    So if you have 5 gallons you multiply that by 2.38% to get the amount of [vermi]compost to use. Then you can go to; and convert it into any unit of measure which is convenient. In my opinion measuring [vermi]compost by weight is inaccurate because of varying moisture content.

    Anyway to proceed we have;

    5 x 2.38% = 0.119 of a gallon = 0.476 of a quart = 0.450 of a liter
    = 450.5 milliliters [450 rounded] = 1.904 cups [2 cups rounded] - Your choice

    Likewise with the use of black strap molasses, a percentage of 0.50% is a good median amount to use.

    These two ingredients, perhaps surprisingly, comprise the total of inputs in most of our brews these days. This simple recipe, if using an efficient ACT maker and good quality [vermi]compost results in a microbial population made up of the important three groups. This is the only recipe used to date, in all the videos on my Youtube channel ‘Microbe Organics'

    To get these three groups the ACT maker should be run for 36 to 42 hours. The ideal temperature range is 65 to 72 Fahrenheit (18 to 22 Celsius), however a little cooler or warmer is okay. I've had pretty equivalent results with ambient temperatures around 100 F (38 C) and as cool as 50 F (10 C).

    To spill a small secret, I've been pre-feeding or pre-activating [vermi]compost which is not so fresh by mixing in a small amount of wheat bran (livestock store or bulk foods department grocery store) and moistening with very diluted black strap molasses, loosely covered with cloth or paper towel 24 hours ahead of brew. (approximate ratios, wheat bran 1:30 [vermi]compost & BSM 1:300 water).

    This has, so far resulted in (most of the time) attaining the desired microbial population at 24 hours brew time rather than the usual 36 to 42 hours.

    Now for some of my other recipes;

    A recipe for a balanced nutrient cycling ACT which many growers claim to have great success with is;

    [vermi]compost – 2.38%

    unsulphured pure black strap molasses - 0.50% [but you can use a maximum 0.75%]

    fish hydrolysate (high quality) - 0.063%
    Do not use chemically deodorized liquid fish!

    kelp meal - 0.25% max. [Less is more!]
    NOTE: This is a maximum amount of kelp and you can experiment using less. This is using regular grade kelp meal for livestock. If you have soluble kelp, I recommend using smaller amounts. As noted earlier kelp meal can initially delay bacterial multiplication and fungal growth in ACT.

    soft rock phosphate granules/powder - 0.063% Consider this optional. In the past 2 years I've become more aware of the possibility of polonium 210 and lead content in soft rock phosphate which is radioactive. This varies depending on how it was mined and where. If you wish to use this in ACT check all available data. Look for heavy metal testing
    We grind up the granules into a powder with a coffee grinder

    The brew time should average around 36 hours and no longer than 48 hours. If you have a microscope then stop when the microbes desired are observed. Otherwise smell for the foodstocks being used up, possible rank odor (indicating anaerobes) and a positive earthy or mushroom-like aroma.

    Fungal Brew;
    If you want a brew which is more fungal increase the amount of fish hydrolysate to around 0.19% and you may wish to decrease the amount of molasses used so there is not a foodstock overload. Include a pinch of alfalfa meal, not using more than 0.25%. It is important to not overload a brew with foodstocks, otherwise you can easily compromise the dissolved oxygen capacity of the unit. Most importantly discontinue brewing around 18 to 20 hours. Of course if you have a microscope you can judge that for yourself.
    Also, if you do not have fungi in your [vermi]compost, you won't have it magically appear in your ACT.
  7. Thank you for replying to my thread I really do appreciate it. However like i said in my original post I have read countless threads and other links on the topic. The link you gave me I read last summer and saved it because it was very informative and also I had to read pages upon pages on a forum and Simone posted that link. However, the information you posted as well as the information that I've read on that site prior does not give me what I'm looking for. I am asking which tea I should use in flower. Should it be both? Just one? Why? Should you use different ones at different stages of flowering? the copy and paste you posted speaks on how to brew and the difference between the two. I understand that people post questions that have been asked over and over and posting a generic link that pertains to the subject for the most part help but in this case it didn't. The reason for my sly comment was only because i felt like I explained that I had do e the research and still couldn't find my anwser.
  8. Ironic this is the problem I have in all the organic threads you ask a question and someone post a 12 page post. Lol I've read a lot of them at this point but still can't seem to find the exact anwser
  9. There is no real difference between a "flower" and "veg" teas...... that is grow store thinking. The reason for the tea at all is to re-supply populations of the micro-herd so they may in turn help in the nutrient cycle.....
    You may topdress in flower or veg.... but the root exudes from the rhizosphere attract the bacteria / fungi..... so the plant decided which nutrients it wants.... they must first be IN the soil but on that point I assume you have a decent soil. The plant even controls it's own PH in a decent dialed in living soil.
    I do absolutely NOTHING different in flower than I do in veg with ONE exception
    In flower, I dont spray foliars, I apply teas in waterings....
  10. Question got answered with the link to Microbe Organics.
    There's nothing anyone of this forum can tell you that you can't find there.
    "I do absolutely NOTHING different in flower than I do in veg with ONE exception
    In flower, I dont spray foliars, I apply teas in waterings...." - Seaf0ur
    ^^^^Same Here :).
    You got the best answers you could get already Jim.
    If you read the link many times you should be able to answer the questions that you asking.
    Answers are there.
    Good luck
  11. "ok, I'll copy paste the relevant part so you can read as little as humanly possible and still consider yourself "educated""

    Go smoke some herb man. He just asked a question. That's what this forum is for.

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  12. I didn't use any teas in veg, I am not going to not use teas in flower. So like I said your information does not pertain to me. Thank you though
  13. Lol I just wanted a suggestion at day 25, I am going to make a tea and I have listed the ammendments I have. Which tea would be now benefical at this point a fungal or bacterial.
  14. Was just trying to help and let you know that the answer to your question is in the link. But it seems you missed that?!
    All good tho. Good luck anyways! Hope all turns out well.
    You're right........ sorry bro. I just get irritated at times when someone asks a question, I point the path to the man who's done all the research for all of us already complete with his recipe's...... From the answer back I (perhaps incorrectly) took it as someone too lazy to read.....
    Call it my judgment issue and carry on......
  16. All good bro thank for ur help
  17. So I am going to make a fungal tea. A while back I made some cannabutter and I had a bunch left over so I left the trimming with butter in fridge and it was a little wet and in a bag and it molded! Grr but can I put this in my fungal tea????
  18. Butter in a tea? Maybe I'm not reading this correctly - ?

  19. So I made camna butter in April. I didn't squeeze the trimming through the cheese cloth fully so I left the remaining butter/trim in fridge and it molded because I had it in a plastic bag and was wet I'm assuming. I was wondering if I could brew this in a fungal tea or would the butter harm the plants

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